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Ultralight
11-28-16, 8:54pm
Have you all seen this? There was an attack at OSU -- very near the building I take classes in. Frightening.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/28/somali-immigrant-identified-attacker-ohio-state/94563226/

iris lilies
11-28-16, 9:41pm
Have you all seen this? There was an attack at OSU -- very near the building I take classes in. Frightening.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/28/somali-immigrant-identified-attacker-ohio-state/94563226/

Is he Muslim? I guess the newspaper didn't want to go out on a limb and name his religious affilitation because really, how would they know?

I would LOVE to be in the back of your classroom if you all will be discussng this sad incident.

bae
11-28-16, 9:55pm
Lucky there was someone very nearby with a weapon and some training/skill to deal with it.

But why is it "frightening"?

19Sandy
11-29-16, 12:22am
Was it a terrorist or someone with a mental disorder or vendetta? Of course it is frightening when this happens. This is the time of year when individuals with serious mental problems or terrorist want to attack. There isn't much on the news about this yet, so keep us informed.

Yarrow
11-29-16, 2:37am
Lucky there was someone very nearby with a weapon and some training/skill to deal with it.

But why is it "frightening"?

Why ask why? Of course it's frightening when something like that happens so close to home, school, work, loved ones, etc.

ApatheticNoMore
11-29-16, 2:54am
Bomb threat by work today, shooting at a school I've taken classes at recently as well. It's a violent country we live in.

Ultralight
11-29-16, 6:36am
Is he Muslim? I guess the newspaper didn't want to go out on a limb and name his religious affilitation because really, how would they know?

I would LOVE to be in the back of your classroom if you all will be discussng this sad incident.

The news eventually reported that the attacker was Islamic and an immigrant and that he went on a radical Islamic tirade on Facebook just before he attacked. I am curious how my social work professors will react. They cancelled classes yesterday and offered counseling -- which I think was a good idea. I don't think that classes will do group therapy for this incident though.

Ultralight
11-29-16, 6:40am
But why is it "frightening"?

It is frightening for several reasons. When a terrorist attack occurs so close to you it ceases to be mayhem on a screen and becomes mayhem in your community. Also: I don't think people are going to want to talk about the mother lode of bad ideas that is in Islam. So heads will go back into the sand. Yet another issue is training. Not enough students, faculty, and staff are trained on how to deal with these situations. I took "active shooter" training. I have a black belt in Ju Jitsu. And that puts me light years ahead of most folks. But people ought to get some training in evasion, first aid, self-defense, and -- above all -- serious and in-depth training into situational awareness. That is just my two cents.

Ultralight
11-29-16, 6:43am
For many reasons this article is worth reading. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/us/ohio-state-university-attack/

Tybee
11-29-16, 7:12am
I am very glad you are okay; I was worried about you when I saw where this happened. Thank you for checking in and letting us know you are okay.

CathyA
11-29-16, 7:42am
Lucky there was someone very nearby with a weapon and some training/skill to deal with it.

But why is it "frightening"?
What a curious question.

LDAHL
11-29-16, 3:34pm
We had active shooter training last month, which mainly consisted of a lecture and video. I now am supposed to keep my office door in the locked position so I can instantly slam it shut in an emergency. One more reason to work to get promoted out of the cubicle farm, I suppose.

frugalone
11-29-16, 5:55pm
It's terrible, and don't take this wrong, but all I can think sometimes is, "Oh no, not again."

It saddens me when it is a radical Muslim terrorist attack, because this is how we get people like Donald Trump raving about Muslim registries etc. One bad apple and all that!

Ultralight
11-29-16, 8:41pm
It's terrible, and don't take this wrong, but all I can think sometimes is, "Oh no, not again."

It saddens me when it is a radical Muslim terrorist attack, because this is how we get people like Donald Trump raving about Muslim registries etc. One bad apple and all that!

If it was one bad apple I think the majority of Americans would forgive and forget.

But this stuff is occurring often in The West now. And it is pathetic how people here -- even at the university itself -- simply will not acknowledge that this dude was a radical Islamic terrorist.

But let me be clear, I do not think that people should discriminate against Muslims or Arabs. I just think we need to take down Islam as an Ideology and grapple it into submission. We need a worldwide First Amendment to do that, one that is woven into every part of our public lives.

Ultralight
12-1-16, 6:49am
Wow... so get this.

Apparently the Diversity Officer at OSU posted this after the terrorist attack:

http://thelantern.com/2016/11/ohio-state-employees-facebook-status-causes-tension/

Tybee
12-1-16, 8:56am
Wow... so get this.

Apparently the Diversity Officer at OSU posted this after the terrorist attack:

http://thelantern.com/2016/11/ohio-state-employees-facebook-status-causes-tension/

I am not seeing "diversity officer," but rather this:

"a Facebook status allegedly posted Monday by Stephanie Clemons Thompson, the assistant director of residence life in the Office of Student Life University Housing at Ohio State."

Where did you find out this was "the Diversity Officer at OSU"==an assistant director of residence life is a different job than diversity officer, no?

bae
12-1-16, 9:25am
We had active shooter training last month, which mainly consisted of a lecture and video. I now am supposed to keep my office door in the locked position so I can instantly slam it shut in an emergency. One more reason to work to get promoted out of the cubicle farm, I suppose.

My most recent active shooter training involved practicing moving through a building with an armed escort force, under fire, while doing triage and trauma care on responders and civilian victims we came across. Learning how to set up redoubts in the "warm" zone to treat patients when evac to the "cold" zone isn't prudent. It sucks wearing body armor while carrying gear, by the way.

Homeland Security just released a reasonably-good 5-6 minute video summing up the current run/hide/fight advice for people in these sorts of incidents.

That said, a fellow with a car plowing down the sidewalk is outside the bounds of most of the "active shooter" advice and training. I suppose the triage tape in my kit will still be helpful. I don't usually carry a firearm that would stop a car reliably, even our deputies keep those things in their trunk and not immediately-at-hand.

Now, if you take a deep breath and look at the statistics, odds are pretty low you'll ever run into this sort of thing, so there's no sense going through life being fearful.

CathyA
12-1-16, 10:01am
Well, sometimes fear motivates us to be more prepared and on guard..........

Tybee
12-1-16, 10:16am
Well, sometimes fear motivates us to be more prepared and on guard..........

Very true, Cathy, and we never think it will happen to us, so I imagine this would be a life-changing experience, for sure. I am just glad Ultralite is okay!

Ultralight
12-1-16, 4:36pm
I am not seeing "diversity officer," but rather this:

"a Facebook status allegedly posted Monday by Stephanie Clemons Thompson, the assistant director of residence life in the Office of Student Life University Housing at Ohio State."

Where did you find out this was "the Diversity Officer at OSU"==an assistant director of residence life is a different job than diversity officer, no?

I stand corrected. Diversity Officer was in a headline for another article covering this issue.

Tybee
12-1-16, 5:12pm
I stand corrected. Diversity Officer was in a headline for another article covering this issue.

The news on this story is getting weirder. There is a story now out about how he was taking a class and had to do a group project on microaggressions. Yikes, what a confluence of themes, sorry you are affected by this personally!

Yarrow
12-4-16, 2:18am
Now, if you take a deep breath and look at the statistics, odds are pretty low you'll ever run into this sort of thing, so there's no sense going through life being fearful.

I think all women live their lives being fearful and on guard. It's the price any female pays in this society from birth. Sure it's unlikely we'll be hit by a terrorist or struck by lightening, but being attacked, assaulted, raped, or sexually molested as a little girl happens everyday. I've certainly been a victim and 75 percent of the women I know have been too. You want to talk about going through life fearful - a woman has to constantly be on high alert. Doesn't matter if she's considered attractive or not, or even if she's just a child, it's just what we females deal with everyday. It's our reality. Sadly.

creaker
12-4-16, 8:39am
Well, sometimes fear motivates us to be more prepared and on guard..........

It seems for most people it just motivates them to be fearful. The "prepared" part would be education, and training, and practice, maintaining a regimen a bit like one would expect a soldier to do - but most people don't do that. I admit I haven't, but given the odds it's not at the top of the list of things I need to do.

ApatheticNoMore
12-4-16, 1:37pm
I think all women live their lives being fearful and on guard.

I tend to think feelings of overall (not in a particular circumstance like that dark alley at night, or that scary seeming person etc.) of safety and danger are by and large irrational, part of the personality, but not for any real reasons, and so attempts to link them to this and that cause aren't really. Of course if one is attacked one might fear that again, obviously, but I don't think all women are afraid all the time.

When I was a little upset about a shooting at a university here where I was taking a class (ok there one day a week - not there when this happened) noone seemed to be much interesting in talking to me about it and it was a flash in the pan as far as news. But it doesn't seem to have a scary terrorist!, scary Muslims!, angle so just another shooting in America ho hum. Really it seems to have been a targeted personal vendetta and not indiscriminate but noone knew that at the time.

Teacher Terry
12-4-16, 2:31pm
When I went to grad school at a big university I had one semester that I had to attend 2 nights a week and no one to walk with. This was before cell phones and pepper spray was illegal. They always had a campus rapist and it was before escorts to your cars were available either. So I carried a can of oven cleaner and walked with my finger on the trigger. As a kid I had an older boy from high school grab my crouch as he walked by. I went back to my school and reported it immediately and he never did it again. I was about 10. Then when I was 18 my friend and I were walking early at about 6 am and it was light out and a man grabbed my breast as he walked by. We started to yell at him and throw rocks and he ran fast.

rosarugosa
12-4-16, 4:36pm
ANM: Interestingly enough, I feel safe most of the time. Probably without any particularly sound reason (although I do generally try to avoid dangerous situations), but I think it is somewhat a matter of an individual's state of mind. I am often armed with nothing more lethal than a pine cone or an acorn. Then again, some women might be forced by circumstances to be in less safe situations, so I don't mean to make light of that.