Note to James Hoffa, Jr. [Archive] - Simple Living Forums

loosechickens

9-5-11, 3:05pm

Heck, Catwoman.......maybe you AND your students would be better off unionized, and ought to look just a bit differently at folks like James Hoffa, Jr. ......this from Politifact.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/23/state-democratic-party-wisconsin/labor-union-supporters-say-wisconsin-test-scores-v/

"Only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows: South Carolina -50th/ North Carolina -49th/ Georgia -48th/ Texas -47th/ Virginia -44th. If you are wondering, Wisconsin is currently ranked #2."

When a reader brought this to our attention, we thought it deserved a look.

First, we checked to see whether it’s true that only five states bar teachers from collective bargaining. We found a webpage maintained by the National Council on Teacher Quality, an independent research group that urges "reforms of the nation's teacher policies."

The group agrees. It reports that all but five states -- Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas and Virginia -- "either require or permit school districts to bargain a contract with the local teachers' union." While the organization notes that states' "scope of bargaining statutes has a considerable impact on the balance of power," we think the Facebook post is accurate because it referred explicitly to states that deemed teacher collective bargaining "illegal."
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But....keep on, keeping on. Heck, we WILL take you out, this election, at least. My vote there in Polk County Texas will cancel out yours, and my sweetie's will cancel out your sweetie's, so.......... ;-)

Personally, I thought it was a GREAT speech.....just "expressing my beliefs, while being civil", hahahaha.......

Hope you are nowhere near any of those terrible fires........just saw on TV and it looks awful over there. LC

Catwoman

9-5-11, 3:14pm

Well we can smell the smoke but are not near the fires...IMHO the need for unions went out with the early 1900's...collective bargaining has evolved into threatening strong arm thugs, will never join a union, never send my money to let some shmuck "speak for me." I thought Hoffa remained true to my description of unions in the speech. I will have to get out and beat the streets for my candidate chickens to cancel you and your sweeties votes!!! However, I'm thinking it can handily be done.

loosechickens

9-5-11, 3:18pm

yeah, I admit, there in Texas, our votes fall into the huge pool of rightwing votes and are lost......but just know that at least YOUR two have been canceled out, hahahahahaha.

have a good day and stay safe from the fires.......I'm off to the pool......

Alan

9-5-11, 3:24pm

You are not "taking me out" and "I am not an S.O.B." - but I'm sure Pres. Obama appreciates the pep-talk. How does this align with Simple Living? .....
I'm not sure that it aligns at all with simple living, but it did seem to set the stage for the President's follow-up speech. It reminded me of his primary career as a community organizer. The us against them approach wasn't presidential, but it certainly seemed to go well with the "let's take out the sons of bitches" crowd.

JaneV2.0

9-6-11, 12:47pm

We need unions today more than ever, IMO. My life is measurably better for having been in one. As we used to say in my salad days "Power to the people!"

LDAHL

9-6-11, 1:14pm

Imagine the squealing if some tea party type were to talk in such terms.

Dharma Bum

9-6-11, 2:49pm

Plenty of squealing when Gabby was shot by the mentally unbalanced dude, but the Animal Farm is oddly quiet now.

DocHolliday

9-6-11, 6:11pm

Lainey

9-6-11, 8:26pm

Alan

9-6-11, 9:10pm

Us against Them? The Dems can't come close to how well the Republicans spin that:

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/149470/let%27s_get_this_straight%3A_there_is_no_progressi ve_equivalent_to_the_right%27s_violent_rhetoric/
Oh let's get real. How much property damage did the union protesters (Democrat) do to the Wisconsin State Capital earlier this year? Was it $7 or $8 Million?

I don't think it's conservatives who gather at every meeting of the G20 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/06/26/g20-saturday-protests.html)and destroy everything in sight. It's not conservatives who joke about hate raping conservative women (http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2009/06/02/no-hate-here-at-playboy-guys-just-some-good-ol-fun-lovin-power-rape-of-conservative-women/). It's not conservatives who disrupt conservative speakers (http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/2687/being-shouted-down)and conservative events.

There's actually hundreds of links I could provide as examples, but I think most people can get the gist from those few.

creaker

9-6-11, 9:54pm

peggy

9-6-11, 10:16pm

It's like the leftists are becoming more and more unhinged each day. A couple of weeks back the Tea Party were terrorists according to some Dems and the VP, next Maxine Waters said the Tea Party could go to hell. Last week an Indiana congresscritter claimed some Tea Party members of congress wanted to see blacks hanging from trees, but he was apparently unable to name names to back up his claim. Now this happens. You just wonder what's going to happen next...

Now WHAT happened? What exactly happened? Jimmy Hoffa said 'vote 'em out'? Is that the HUGE THREAT y'all are talking about? Really? Wow! I think a reality check is in order when some guy says let's vote them out and everyone gets spun up!
Oh, you didn't watch the whole speech? Yea, watch the whole thing. Or even the whole sentence. It's pretty pathetic when you have to manufacture grievances.

John Stewart's brilliance is even more evident every day. Special Victims Unit.

Zigzagman

9-6-11, 10:21pm

I find it amazing that anyone would blame the unions for anything. I think they have become the boogyman for the when it come to reasons for lack of jobs or maybe they are jealous of the benefits and retirement?

Trade union membership US 2010
16.1 million

Percentage of workforce
▪ Total: 12.4%
▪ Public sector: 36.8%
▪ Private sector: 7.6%

And this number of people is responsible for the "jobs crisis" in America? I suspect that most workers would die for the opportunity to get the benefits that most union workers get. Instead they are so intimidated just to keep their jobs that most would not dare to mention, much less organize, their fellow workers.

Especially in the South, most union workers are perceived with jealousy and contempt as a workforce that is all about higher wages and benefits than most if not all private workers.

Huh? What? For real? That is not something that everyone wants? If not, why not?

I think that most workers these day are so darn intimidated that they dare not ask for their far share because they don't really feel that they are doing anything that contributes enough to demand anything - think about that!!

Peace

Alan

9-6-11, 10:25pm

Funny how we can have over 300 million people in this country - and probably just as many different combinations of origins, races, religions, opinions, philosophies, politics. But apparently we can all be slotted into 1 of only 2 groups. Amazing.

That's done all the time, and pretty much depends upon whatever group an individual identifies with. There's lots of talk on this forum about simple livers and everyone else. Same thing.
Some folks like to consider all southerners or Tea Party members as ignorant racists, well, excepting of course whichever southerners or tea party members they may interact with. Same thing.
When I was new here, back in the day, a lot of the female members seemed to believe that all men were misogynistic low lifes, excepting again the male members of the site and certain significant others. Same thing.
Just about the whole of society breaks down as the enlightened and the un-enlightened with members of each group self-identifying in a favorable light. Same thing.

Don't take any of it personally, it's just human nature.

Alan

9-6-11, 10:36pm

Now WHAT happened? What exactly happened? Jimmy Hoffa said 'vote 'em out'? Is that the HUGE THREAT y'all are talking about? Really? Wow! I think a reality check is in order when some guy says let's vote them out and everyone gets spun up! ......

He actually said "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these sons of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong". But let's not quibble over exact wording, it's the thought that counts.

flowerseverywhere

9-6-11, 11:29pm

Imagine the squealing if some tea party type were to talk in such terms. You could not have missed this. Actual gun crosshairs aimed at Giffords.

http://gawker.com/5728545/shot-congresswoman-was-in-sarah-palins-crosshairs

"Gabrielle Giffords, The Arizona congresswoman shot (http://gawker.com/5728501/arizona-congresswoman-shot-outside-grocery-store) today outside a Tucson Safeway, was featured on Sarah Palin's infamous 'crosshairs' map (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/palin-uses-crosshairs-to-identify-dems-who-voted-for-health-care-reform.php), which targeted legislators who voted for Obama's health care bill. Remember? The map that was criticized as an incitement to violence?"

I listen to Tea Party candidates on the news shows and read their speeches. I fear for the old, Muslims (in fact any non-Christians), Women's access to birth control and abortions, and the future of the middle class. CEO's and top executives get richer and richer and the working class gets downsized, rightsized, cut back, subject to pay cuts and decrease in benefits.

I am not a Democrat or Republican, both parties make me ill with their rhetoric, lies and empty promises, but I am far more fearful of those in the Tea Party than the rest of the candidates- I have a Tea Party congresswoman and she scares me to death with her views.

mtnlaurel

9-6-11, 11:55pm

Here's something to 'squeal' about......

"A late August newsletter from the Pima County Republican Party plugged an upcoming raffle with a questionable prize: a Glock handgun, not unlike the one Jared Loughner used to kill six people and wound thirteen others, including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, in January"

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/arizona_gop_is_giving_away_a_g.html

Catwoman

9-7-11, 12:10am

The desperation of the left is really kind of laughable. In truth, the only violent language has been coming from the left when talking about the Tea Party, yet the Tea Party is supposed to be fearsome? Come on! The left had the kook who said all Tea Partiers wanted to see blacks hanging from a tree. Joe Biden called Teapartiers terrorists, then Hoffa says (I watched the speech, heard him live) this is war, we are going to take the sons of bitches out. Its a great fabrication on the part of the left to sway public opinion and deflect from the failure of Obama. Not gonna work, not gonna work...If you fear those who are ideologically different than you, you are prejudiced...If you fear those who have different religious beliefs, you are prejudiced.

DocHolliday

9-7-11, 12:32am

Lainey

9-7-11, 12:53am

Oh let's get real. How much property damage did the union protesters (Democrat) do to the Wisconsin State Capital earlier this year? Was it $7 or $8 Million?

I don't think it's conservatives who gather at every meeting of the G20 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/06/26/g20-saturday-protests.html)and destroy everything in sight. It's not conservatives who joke about hate raping conservative women (http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2009/06/02/no-hate-here-at-playboy-guys-just-some-good-ol-fun-lovin-power-rape-of-conservative-women/). It's not conservatives who disrupt conservative speakers (http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/2687/being-shouted-down)and conservative events.

There's actually hundreds of links I could provide as examples, but I think most people can get the gist from those few.

"Liberals" don't break windows or torch police cars; those people are called criminals. The Playboy article was sick and it was rightly condemned in Huffington Post, among other places. And at a recent public meeting I attended, it was actually a self-identified Tea Party member who had to be escorted out by a uniformed police officer, because, after several warnings, he would not shut up while others were trying to speak during their turn at the microphone.

So yes, I have hundreds of examples too.

But beyond these are the many thousands of hours and years of Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter, etc. villifing liberal Americans on TV, radio and in print. And the point of the article I posted was there is no equivalent on the liberal side for that kind of tsunami of hatred.

loosechickens

9-7-11, 1:33am

from Mediaite.com

"A quote from Teamster President James Hoffa is making the Labor Day rounds, particularly on the right, as evidence of the kind of “violent rhetoric” that President Obama denounced in the wake of January’s shooting tragedy in Tucson. In an abridged version of the quote posted here earlier, Hoffa says, of the Tea Party, “Let’s take these sons of bitches out,” but according to CNN, Hoffa prefaced his remark by saying, “Everybody here’s got a vote,” which narrows the comment’s meaning.

When outrage over Hoffa’s quote swept over Twitter, I hadn’t seen the clip yet, but the quote sounded so familiar that I took a look for another source, with broader context. Sure enough, CNN reported the quote this way:

“Everybody here has a vote,” Hoffa said Monday. “If we go back and we keep the eye on the prize. Let’s take these sons of bitches out and give America back to America where we belong.”

The full quote (Hoffa actually says “Everybody here’s got a vote,” and, employing the colloquially approved plural for sonofabitch, “let’s take these sonofabitches out”) is almost identical to something Hoffa said on Morning Joe about a week-and-a-half ago, with little or no outrage. He said ““There’s going to be an election in ’12, and maybe the answer is, we wipe these people out.”

The full Hoffa quote was also run in a clip later in the day by Fox News, and Fox Senior White House Correspondent Ed Henry took pains to clarify the Hoffa quote via his Twitter feed following his initial report, which omitted “Everybody here’s got a vote”:

Full quote, Jimmy Hoffa Jr: “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back & keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these sons of bitches out”

in fairness here’s full context on Hoffa comments. He was earlier saying “we gotta keep an eye on the battle that we face, a war on workers”

more Hoffa: “We’ve got a bunch of people there that don’t want the President to succeed, and they’re called the Tea Party”

Hoffa: “President is frustrated by what’s going on. Well guess what, we got the vote … remember in November. We will beat the tea party” "
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But by all means, take a molehill and make it into a mountain.......the right is good at that.

I'm kind of remembering that it was conservative rightwingers who bombed the Federal building killing several hundred people, in Oklahoma City....

I'm also kind of remembering that the violence and killings at abortion clinics and of doctors who performed abortions were perpetrated by rightwinger conservatives, too......

Correct me if I'm wrong.........

Gregg

9-7-11, 4:03am

So yes, I have hundreds of examples too.

It seems that hundreds of examples of such behavior on the right combined with Alan's hundreds of examples on the left simply add up to thousands of examples of how our society is eroding.

Regarding the OP, if I were a national politician I would consider Mr. Hoffa's endorsement dubious at best regardless of how many union votes he can swing. Mr. Obama, et al, may find that pep talks from Hollywood play a little better in most living rooms. Who's Charlie Sheen backing this round?

mtnlaurel

9-7-11, 9:01am

Also like the one that Gabby Giffords herself owns...

which is good, all of our rights to bear arms is covered under the 2nd amendment --- I'm not against that

If it were a Hunting Club, Gun Club or NRA chapter having the gun raffle, I wouldn't even think twice about it

I do think it's weird that a political party wants to have a gun raffle though and I think it's tacky THAT particular county GOP group would want to do it after the recent tragedy on a freely elected official that happened there.

Zigzagman

9-7-11, 9:07am

It seems that hundreds of examples of such behavior on the right combined with Alan's hundreds of examples on the left simply add up to thousands of examples of how our society is eroding.

Regarding the OP, if I were a national politician I would consider Mr. Hoffa's endorsement dubious at best regardless of how many union votes he can swing. Mr. Obama, et al, may find that pep talks from Hollywood play a little better in most living rooms. Who's Charlie Sheen backing this round?

I'm not so sure that our society is eroding but maybe just finally rejecting the insane ideas that have invaded the US in the last 30 years. Constant War, corruption, greed, and corporate control of government.

Peace

peggy

9-7-11, 9:51am

He actually said "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these sons of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong". But let's not quibble over exact wording, it's the thought that counts.

Oh but let's DO quibble over EXACT wording Alan. I'm sure it's more to your advantage not to, but his EXACT wording clearly says take them out with your vote. Throwing quotation marks around your 'version' doesn't really make it his quote, does it. Remember, we can google. We can actually hear what he says.
Ain't the Internets a wonderful thing!

Alan

9-7-11, 10:38am

Oh but let's DO quibble over EXACT wording Alan. I'm sure it's more to your advantage not to, but his EXACT wording clearly says take them out with your vote. Throwing quotation marks around your 'version' doesn't really make it his quote, does it. Remember, we can google. We can actually hear what he says.
Ain't the Internets a wonderful thing!
That's not my "version", it's an exact quote, which is why it's appropriate to place it inside quotation marks. He did mention voting some time before and anyone paying attention would understand that's what he was referring to. But of course, anyone paying attention to Sarah Palin's "crosshairs" map would know that she meant the same. Wouldn't you agree?

Gregg

9-7-11, 1:40pm

Have to agree with you Alan, its not something that anyone can have both ways. I'm surprised this gained any traction really. It was ridiculous wording from a man of dubious reputation. I seriously doubt Mr. Hoffa is dim enough to have meant what he said literally, just as I seriously doubt Sarah Palin plans to use prominent Democrats as target practice. As important as the next election cycle is set to be I'm guessing the numbers of voters will actually decline simply because the next 14 months of stories like this will burn out the electorate. Might be a good time to invest in cable channels that don't run political ads.

peggy

9-7-11, 2:28pm

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201109050003

Here you go. And of course, the actual quote:

HOFFA: "Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!"

Not exactly as you wrote it, is it.
and here is a link to the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfzMsD2njMc
There you are.

And your 'quote'

He actually said "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these sons of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong". But let's not quibble over exact wording, it's the thought that counts.

A speech isn't like a grammar school word list where you can pick and choose words said and put them together to make up a 'quote'.
Again, we can all google this. We don't have to take Fox news, or your word, for it.
Sheesh!

Catwoman

9-7-11, 6:09pm

Peggy, the slight changes in Hoffa's speech as per you IN NO WAY change the tone or the words spoken by him. Again, I heard it live...no mistaking the tone there. I have no doubt if things don't go Obama's way, they will turn their heads, White House and Justice Dept., while unions and other liberal groups are inciting violence against tea partiers...Wisconsin was no picnic.

Zigzagman

9-7-11, 6:18pm

I agree with this (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/no-problem-with-hoffas-tea-party-harangue/2011/03/04/gIQALB979J_blog.html) from the Washington Post Article -

"The only way for labor to end what it sees as the “war on workers” is for labor to vote the Tea Party out of office. And I have no quarrel with that. "

I think most of America will be very glad when these Tea Baggers go the way of the John Birch Society which was to be put into exile by mainstream voters.

Peace

Alan

9-7-11, 6:41pm

.....I think most of America will be very glad when these Tea Baggers go the way of the John Birch Society which was to be put into exile by mainstream voters.

Peace
I don't think the principles of limited government, personal responsibility and free markets will ever go away, regardless of what some demographics would prefer.

Catwoman

9-7-11, 7:23pm

Oh, and forgot to comment on the source you were quoting Peggy, Mediamatters, 0 credibility anywhere.

Lainey

9-7-11, 8:15pm

while unions and other liberal groups are inciting violence against tea partiers...

example, please?

Catwoman

9-7-11, 10:24pm

@Lainey - your request for example please was from a post I made predicting future events...note I said "If things don't go their way..."

peggy

9-8-11, 9:43am

Oh, and forgot to comment on the source you were quoting Peggy, Mediamatters, 0 credibility anywhere.

sigh....Catwoman, the ACTUAL VIDEO shows what he said. Doesn't matter who posts the video, it is there in living color WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID! Actually, it was ONLY FOX who tried to mislead by cutting and pasting.
So, let's take your quotes and switch them around and pick words from other things you've said, doesn't matter does it. We KNOW what you mean . That's totally bogus and dishonest! What he said is what he said. What you heard, or wanted to hear, is NOT what he said. Nor is it what he meant. And I seriously doubt you are a mind reader.

peggy

9-8-11, 9:47am

@Lainey - your request for example please was from a post I made predicting future events...note I said "If things don't go their way..."

This is bogus. There is NO history of liberals and unions attacking tea baggers, or even encouraging violence against tea baggers. There is, however, plenty of history of tea baggers being encouraged to do violence to liberals and unions. You don't carry a gun to a political rally because it's a shiny-pretty.

Alan

9-8-11, 1:00pm

This is bogus. There is NO history of liberals and unions attacking tea baggers, or even encouraging violence against tea baggers. There is, however, plenty of history of tea baggers being encouraged to do violence to liberals and unions. You don't carry a gun to a political rally because it's a shiny-pretty.

Do you remember the black conservative man who was beaten by SEIU members for handing out Gadsden flags in St. Louis? I think that's some history.

I'm curious what you think caused some people to carry exposed weapons to a political rally. Does the presence of an exposed weapon mean that a person is implying violence, or does it serve as a reminder to those who would like to restrict them, that we still have the right to carry them? Or, is simply exercising a right that you don't agree with an implication of violence? I'm not sure where you're coming from on that one.

Catwoman

9-8-11, 5:29pm

How quickly we forget ...the Black Panthers brandishing billy clubs to intimidate and keep white voters away from the polls, this is in evidence on videotape, of course, Eric Holder chose not pursue this...

dmc

9-8-11, 8:00pm

example, please?

Here is a start to the violence

.http://news.yahoo.com/longshoremen-storm-wash-state-port-damage-rr-144921214.html

Lainey

9-8-11, 8:59pm

Here is a start to the violence

.http://news.yahoo.com/longshoremen-storm-wash-state-port-damage-rr-144921214.html

how is that violence against Tea Partiers?

peggy

9-8-11, 9:07pm

Do you remember the black conservative man who was beaten by SEIU members for handing out Gadsden flags in St. Louis? I think that's some history.

I'm curious what you think caused some people to carry exposed weapons to a political rally. Does the presence of an exposed weapon mean that a person is implying violence, or does it serve as a reminder to those who would like to restrict them, that we still have the right to carry them? Or, is simply exercising a right that you don't agree with an implication of violence? I'm not sure where you're coming from on that one.

Yes, carrying a gun is implying violence. Let's put it this way, you are giving a b-b-q for your daughter's graduation and a bunch of hot heads who you know to be against you and your daughter show up displaying side arms. What is that then? Them simply exercising their rights?

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/obama_volunteer_on_scene_dispu.php
two guys are hardly 'black panthers brandishing billy clubs'. One was an official poll watcher and the other was his friend. I know Fox and other right wing outlets took hundreds of pictures of these two, but that doesn't make it hundreds of panthers. Besides, it was a voting place where people voted democrat 4 to 1. Oooh...scary scary black men! Who apparently aren't very good at what they are being accused of.

peggy

9-8-11, 9:12pm

Here is a start to the violence

.http://news.yahoo.com/longshoremen-storm-wash-state-port-damage-rr-144921214.html

hum..I thought you tea baggers admired this sort of 'storm the ship and dump the tea overboard' type of action. Not so much huh?
How is this related to political violence or violence against tea baggers?

Alan

9-8-11, 9:23pm

Yes, carrying a gun is implying violence. Let's put it this way, you are giving a b-b-q for your daughter's graduation and a bunch of hot heads who you know to be against you and your daughter show up displaying side arms. What is that then? Them simply exercising their rights?

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/obama_volunteer_on_scene_dispu.php
two guys are hardly 'black panthers brandishing billy clubs'. One was an official poll watcher and the other was his friend. I know Fox and other right wing outlets took hundreds of pictures of these two, but that doesn't make it hundreds of panthers. Besides, it was a voting place where people voted democrat 4 to 1. Oooh...scary scary black men! Who apparently aren't very good at what they are being accused of.
I think you got your excuses mixed up. Or maybe you mis-read me. :laff:

Regarding the part of the response which actually applies to me, there's really no correlation to a child's graduation party with a bunch of hot heads and a political event where one or more politicians, who have gone on record favoring stripping a person of their right to self-defense, are reminded that others disagree with their desires. I'd like to see some evidence that those who showed up with lawful weapons, carried in a lawful manner, posed, or implied, a threat to anyone. I'm sure if they did, charges would have been filed, dontcha think?

dmc

9-8-11, 10:13pm

how is that violence against Tea Partiers?

Just an example of union thugs in action. Lets see if anyone goes to jail over it.

peggy

9-9-11, 8:32am

I think you got your excuses mixed up. Or maybe you mis-read me. :laff:

Regarding the part of the response which actually applies to me, there's really no correlation to a child's graduation party with a bunch of hot heads and a political event where one or more politicians, who have gone on record favoring stripping a person of their right to self-defense, are reminded that others disagree with their desires. I'd like to see some evidence that those who showed up with lawful weapons, carried in a lawful manner, posed, or implied, a threat to anyone. I'm sure if they did, charges would have been filed, dontcha think?

But that's a straw man Alan. No one is trying to strip you of your guns. NO ONE! How many times do you need to be fooled by this goofy ploy before you realize the pattern? Every election cycle the republicans trot out the 'They want to take your guns away' spiel and every time the low information voters get spun up! EVERY TIME! Every. Freaking. Time!

Alan

9-9-11, 9:15am

But that's a straw man Alan. No one is trying to strip you of your guns. NO ONE! How many times do you need to be fooled by this goofy ploy before you realize the pattern? Every election cycle the republicans trot out the 'They want to take your guns away' spiel and every time the low information voters get spun up! EVERY TIME! Every. Freaking. Time!
Straw man?
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/barack_obama_gun_control.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/07/obama-unveil-gun-control-reforms_n_892633.html
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/25/obama-were-working-on-gun-control-under-the-radar/

DocHolliday

9-9-11, 7:55pm

But that's a straw man Alan. No one is trying to strip you of your guns. NO ONE! How many times do you need to be fooled by this goofy ploy before you realize the pattern? Every election cycle the republicans trot out the 'They want to take your guns away' spiel and every time the low information voters get spun up! EVERY TIME! Every. Freaking. Time!

Talk about "low information", gun owners are some of the most knowledgeable people you will ever meet when it comes to the issue that they care about most.

Does your "low information" apply when the Dems trot out their "Republicans want to take your SS away"...EVERY TIME! Every. Freaking. Time!

Spartana

9-10-11, 2:38pm

Yes, carrying a gun is implying violence.

It's not implying anything - just that you are carrying a gun (and because it's shiney, pretty ;-)!). For most that's for self protection, not to engage in violence. The two are very different things.

Lainey

9-10-11, 2:53pm

Just an example of union thugs in action. Lets see if anyone goes to jail over it.

Let's clarify something: The American Medical Association is a "union." The American Bar Association is a "union." The Pharma companies are a "union." The Stock Exchange is a "union." The Bankers association is a "union."

Any time a group joins together to further its interests, that is a union. The only unions you seem to despise are those lower middle class workers that are sometimes visible in the streets. However, if they wear suits and hire expensive lobbyists to get legislation passed that drains taxpayer money, e.g., no federal bulk buying allowed with pharma companies for Medicare drugs, then that's okay because they're not "violent." So, no need to jail them, right?

peggy

9-10-11, 4:04pm

Straw man?
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/barack_obama_gun_control.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/07/obama-unveil-gun-control-reforms_n_892633.html
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/25/obama-were-working-on-gun-control-under-the-radar/

Ok, I looked at your links. They just said he is for gun control and common sense gun laws. So am I. So is any reasonable thinking person. Quite a far cry from 'banning guns'.
I realize you think we should all be able to carry uzi in our underwear to church, but most people would like SOME restrictions on guns. Guns may not kill people, but idiots with guns kill far more people than idiots with sticks.
But, again, no one is trying to take away all your guns. It's a lie and a deflection from the real issues of common sense gun control.

Catwoman

9-10-11, 4:21pm

I really think it is a shame that Peggy is allowed to speak so rudely and directly to other posters here as in "I realize you think we should all be allowed to carry our uzi in our underwear to church.." mods?

Anyway, I like to stick mine in my garter belt

Zigzagman

9-10-11, 4:33pm

Anyway, I like to stick mine in my garter belt

Much better than "up your arse" ;)

Peace

peggy

9-10-11, 4:41pm

Spartana

9-10-11, 4:42pm

Ok, I looked at your links. They just said he is for gun control and common sense gun laws. So am I. So is any reasonable thinking person. Quite a far cry from 'banning guns'.
I realize you think we should all be able to carry uzi in our underwear to church, but most people would like SOME restrictions on guns. Guns may not kill people, but idiots with guns kill far more people than idiots with sticks.
But, again, no one is trying to take away all your guns. It's a lie and a deflection from the real issues of common sense gun control.

In Calif (if you don't have a concealed permit) we get to carry our uzi's outside our underwear to church - as long as it's not loaded. Ammo has to go inside the underwear - or where Zigzag man suggests :-)! Too bad....

"California’s gun laws generally allow you to carry an unloaded, unlicensed firearm in public, so long as the weapon is in plain sight. This law applies as long as you are not in a prohibited area. "Prohibited areas" include government buildings, post offices, and school zones under California’s Gun Free School Zone Act."

peggy

9-10-11, 9:46pm

In Calif (if you don't have a concealed permit) we get to carry our uzi's outside our underwear to church - as long as it's not loaded. Ammo has to go inside the underwear - or where Zigzag man suggests :-)! Too bad....

"California’s gun laws generally allow you to carry an unloaded, unlicensed firearm in public, so long as the weapon is in plain sight. This law applies as long as you are not in a prohibited area. "Prohibited areas" include government buildings, post offices, and school zones under California’s Gun Free School Zone Act."

ooh..you all wear underwear in California?;)