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Tiam
12-4-11, 1:11pm
Any Stiegg Larsen fans out there? Do you feel Lisbeth has been unnaturally sexualized for the US market?http://blogs.indiewire.com/womenandhollywood/the_pornification_of_lisbeth_salander

early morning
12-4-11, 3:53pm
Love the books and the Swedish movies. I think I'll give the Hollywood version a pass. The poster certainly reinforces my plan; not in character with the Lisbeth of the books, in any case!

Tiam
12-4-11, 5:53pm
Love the books and the Swedish movies. I think I'll give the Hollywood version a pass. The poster certainly reinforces my plan; not in character with the Lisbeth of the books, in any case!


I think Lisbeth Salander is a fantastic anti hero that many people don't know about or appreciate. I hope they don't do that with the Americanized version.

Simplemind
12-5-11, 12:10am
I loved the original and am going to pass on the American version. I was disapointed with our version of Let the right one in.

Tiam
12-5-11, 12:23am
I loved the original and am going to pass on the American version. I was disapointed with our version of Let the right one in.

I've heard that too. I saw the American version. We will see, I will watch. I will see if they really take that kind of angle with her character or if that's just a marketing trick. I would like to see Larsen's original intentions for his theme be carried out.

Acorn
12-5-11, 3:52am
Didn't read the books, but loved the Swedish movies. I don't really understand why there was a need to make an American version.

Gardenarian
12-5-11, 4:36pm
Neither of the posters reflect the way I imagine Lisbeth Salander, whom I see as a sort of punk Pippi Longstocking. Lisbeth was a victim, not a seductress.

I read the books, and while I could see the quality of them, the violence was too graphic for me.

AustinKat
12-5-11, 7:30pm
I've read all three books and seen all three Swedish movies. I'm going to skip the American version, because after seeing Noomi Rapace as Salander, there's no point in anyone else playing her.

Tiam
12-5-11, 10:26pm
Neither of the posters reflect the way I imagine Lisbeth Salander, whom I see as a sort of punk Pippi Longstocking. Lisbeth was a victim, not a seductress.

I read the books, and while I could see the quality of them, the violence was too graphic for me.


A punk Pippi, huh? That seems a bit innocent to me for Lisbeth. When I think of these books, the violence isn't what I usually remember first, so I think it probably didn't affect me too much. I think what I would like to see is someone who plays her better than Rapace, but I don't know if that will happen.

frugalone
12-6-11, 10:26pm
Saw the Swedish film, have not read the books. Too disturbing. I think the poster is offensive.

I did like the fact that Lisbeth was bisexual, just my two cents.

flowerseverywhere
12-7-11, 12:28am
could not get through the books, too much violence against women. I finished number one but after starting number two had nightmares so closed the books and brought them back to the library.

DonkaDoo
12-7-11, 1:02pm
I've read the books and have seen the first 2 Swedish movies. I am excited for the American version bc I really like David Fincher. I think the trailer is awesome. I don't get the posters, though. I just don't it it.

mamalatte
12-7-11, 3:15pm
Recently read Girl With the Dragon Tattoo and, although I did finish it, totally agree too much violence against women, and quite disturbing. Also, I thought it was unrealistic that Lisbeth goes through this savage capture/rape and then just a few weeks later is enjoying herself hopping into bed with various other folks.

Mostly though, I was surprised that so many acquaintances have recommended this book and no one ever mentioned that aspect of it. I've noticed that since not having a TV anymore for at least 8 years, and therefore watching barely any TV, I am much more sensitive to depictions of violence--so maybe that's partly why I found it to be too much...

Tiam
12-7-11, 9:54pm
Well, the whole theme of the trilogy is violence against women. I think he finishes it up nicely in the last book. And yeah, it's a violent story. So, was Shogun.

DonkaDoo
12-12-11, 3:50pm
Well, the whole theme of the trilogy is violence against women. I think he finishes it up nicely in the last book. And yeah, it's a violent story. So, was Shogun.

I believe the Swedish title of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is Men who Hate Women.

mamalatte
12-12-11, 8:11pm
Tiam - Not saying it wasn't a good book because of the violence, just not to my taste. Also, given that I read quite a bit and found it to be, for a mainstream best-selling book, pretty far along the spectrum in terms of the degree of graphic description of violence (especially sexual violence), I was surprised no one ever happened to mention that in recommending the book. After your comment, however, I am now intrigued as to what happens in the last book, so maybe I'll have to re-consider whether to continue through the trilogy.
DonkaDoo - Men Who Hate Women seems like a more appropriate title to me!

Tiam
12-13-11, 12:48am
Tiam - Not saying it wasn't a good book because of the violence, just not to my taste. Also, given that I read quite a bit and found it to be, for a mainstream best-selling book, pretty far along the spectrum in terms of the degree of graphic description of violence (especially sexual violence), I was surprised no one ever happened to mention that in recommending the book. After your comment, however, I am now intrigued as to what happens in the last book, so maybe I'll have to re-consider whether to continue through the trilogy.
DonkaDoo - Men Who Hate Women seems like a more appropriate title to me!

Well, I'm not saying the violence ends. It IS a violent series. But Larsen said his theme was about violence to women...and I think in the end he does it justice, and brings his message home. I think I took that away with me. Because I didn't read the books because I enjoyed the violence, I read the books because the characters stayed with me, and felt the end made me think about how society reacts to violence and sex and women. Nothing new, so to speak, but I thought he did it justice.

DonkaDoo
1-1-12, 7:54pm
Has anyone seen the Fincher movie yet? I was confused by the ending. They changed it. *SPOILERS** So Anita in London was actually Harriet. There is no Harriet in Australia. So Then wth happened to Anita? Did she return to the island after rescuing Harriet and then leave for good a couple of years later? if so where is she now and why is this not addressed in the film? Meh.

With the exception of the Harriet/Anita issue I really liked the movie. :o) Better paced imho than the Swedish version, and I didn't have to read it either. bonus!

Tiam
1-1-12, 8:45pm
Has anyone seen the Fincher movie yet? I was confused by the ending. They changed it. *SPOILERS** So Anita in London was actually Harriet. There is no Harriet in Australia. So Then wth happened to Anita? Did she return to the island after rescuing Harriet and then leave for good a couple of years later? if so where is she now and why is this not addressed in the film? Meh.

With the exception of the Harriet/Anita issue I really liked the movie. :o) Better paced imho than the Swedish version, and I didn't have to read it either. bonus!



They did change it....the dialogue was a bit dodgy to hear, but I gathered that "Anita" died and Harriet stepped into her shoes. I realized they had changed it, but I had trouble hearing it exactly. However, that didn't bother me too much. I liked the new movies. I didn't feel Lizbeth was overly pornified as a character, just the film in general. I felt like the movie was trying to do a lot. More than the Swedish Version. They were setting up the following films in a way the first one didn't and still trying to stuff the movie will all the expository, which made it a bit klunky at times. I think the movie made up for itself because every time Mara is onscreen, she is electric and I liked her better than Rapace.