LoL the last thing I want is Ketosis to happen... I prefer to be healthy, but thanks.
LoL the last thing I want is Ketosis to happen... I prefer to be healthy, but thanks.
Yeah, that's the point. Ketosis is often misunderstood, and generally good for what ails you. Noakes is a gem.
I rarely get into it, or stay there, but I'd probably be vastly better off if I did.
I understand the initial shedding of fragrant ketones is fleeting, but the health improvements are cumulative.
Last edited by JaneV2.0; 10-18-15 at 1:28pm.
Can you please explain what Ketosis is? I have the feeling that we have completely different understandings of it. The thing is I went to school and studied physiology and it's understood in pretty basic physiology that low carb diets are extremely dangerous.
I have an open mind, but I don't trust a book that isn't an actual text book or facts that aren't actual facts. Any crack pot theorist can call themselves PHD's and write a book about random fad diets, but it really has no scientific proof in the actual world of physiology.
But if it truly is healthy to be so sick from ketosis and to smell like cat piss and lose all my muscle, then maybe the fact that I can't digest carbs could be a good thing. I'm not being sarcastic either, I would very much like to accept that lwo carb diets are healthy, but common knowledge, experience, anorexia and also education has proven to me otherwise thus far.
If it's so healthy then why does it cause kidney damage and liver damage? If not eating carbs is so good for you then why does the brain only survive on glycogen?
If it's so great to be in ketosis, then why isn't protien a fuel for the body? Because it's not. There are only 3 energy systems the body uses. ATP, anaerobic and aerobic systems, the body is supposed to only burn carbs, fat and atp as fuel, not protien. Protien becomes toxic, which are what the ketones are. Ketosis is basically the process of the body being starved and having to use protien instead of carbs, because it cannot and will not use fats unless it is aerobic, but the body does not store protiens, so it has to eat away at your muscles instead, which is what creates ketones, and that makes you smell like cat pee, which is really gross, but it also overtaxes the liver with many toxins and makes people very sick.
Not to mention low carb diets in general cause that starvation euphoria "i feel so great" because your brain cells are dying, causes a lot of water loss and muscle loss, yet people seem to think they are losing fat.
This is basic physiology so I'm just not sure how someone can get away with writing a book saying that low carb diets are good for athletes. Athletes like myself know very well that we have to eat plenty of carbs or we risk many health problems!
Believe me, if there was a way I could just not eat any carbs at all, I would do it, because carbs are horrible for me to digest, but it causes me a lot worse health problems to cut them out, and does for everyone else too. If it hasn't yet, it will eventually catch up to you because you are starving yourself of something the body needs to survive.
Unless everything I learned in school is a lie, I'm not sure what to believe anymore, but I would much rather go on how my body feels and honestly, my body tells me that I need carbs to be healthy. When I don't eat enouh carbs, I am NOT healthy, far from it. I mean that would be different if you never use the anaerobic system, but I use it all the time because I work out a lot.
Ketogenic diets don't cause kidney damage; on the contrary: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/222845.php
High carbohydrate diets are a well known cause of NAFLD: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23657151
As I understand it, human physiology a hybrid fuel system. Those in tropical climates were more likely to run on glucose, those in Northern regions (like my ancestors) ran on fat most of the year, but the system was fluid, allowing for variations in diet.
I don't know why you're losing muscle; I'm not a physiologist. But it's not likely due to lack of carbohydrates, which are unnecessary to human health http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23657151. Gluconeogenesis provides us with all the glucose we need (which isn't much, apparently).
I think people should eat what makes them feel best. Some people apparently thrive on a carbohydrate-heavy diet. Ketogenic diets aren't for everyone--the (temporary) excretion of ketone bodies, the social drawbacks, keto flu (also temporary)--but they're often used therapeutically, and if I were facing a serious illness I wouldn't hesitate to embrace one. They have a long track record in treating epilepsy, for example, and are being studied in brain cancer.
I don't know where you get the idea that protein is toxic. It's absolutely necessary to build muscle, maintain immune health, and keep your body running properly. There are people who live on protein and fat only, quite healthfully.
But Tim Noakes, DSc, professor of exercise and sports science at the University of Cape Town. explains it much better than I can:http://www.eatrunrehabilitate.com/20...f-timothy.html
He's absolutely right about consensus: "Science, after all, is not about popularity and consensus. Science is about disproving hypotheses and, as a consequence, moving closer to the truth. The great threats to truth are ego, narcissism and conflicts of interest."
To clarify, I did not say protien is toxic, I said ketones are toxic. Ketosis is the process of the body using protien as a fuel (because originally the body uses carbs as a fuel but when you deprive yourself of carbs it has nowhere else to go), it breaks down the muscle in your body which is what causes muscle loss, which creates the ketones, which is what is toxic. Protien is not meant to be a fuel, it's meant to repair muscles.
No matter how much FAT you eat, it's not going to force your body to burn it, because the only thing that burns it is being aerobic. The body will always turn to protien before it turns to fat because it can't burn fat stores when it's anaerobic.
Fat has more calories than carbs and protien. It makes no sense at all to eat a bunch of fat.
The reason so many people get fat because of carbs is because they are eating unhealthy carbs like processed white flours. But there are healthy carbs out there. Even vegetables are carbs. So eating protien is not toxic. But allowing your body to starve and use your muscle as a fuel IS toxic.
When you don't eat enough carbohydrates, it forces the body to use protien as it would use a carbohydrate, and that is what ketosis is.
The first study does not prove anything, because it was a comparison between low carb and high carb, two completely unhealthy polar opposites, but I bet if they had compared it to a healthy, normal balanced diet the results would have been even better, also there are a lot of factors that make it suspicious, such as, what did they eat exactly and what KIND of carbs did they eat?
No one thrives on a carb heavy diet, just the same as no one thrives on low carb diets, they are both really unhealthy extremes. Climates are different - for example compare an inuit with someone from here. If you tried eating like them you would get very sick. It took them generations of evolution to eat that way and it has been proven they even have larger livers because of it. If you are really trying to use these things as examples, just remember that your ancestors survived on what they could get. Survival is not healthy, survival is just survival. The human body is completely capable of living for years in starvation. I know that first hand, but that doesn't mean it's healthy.
Carbohydrates are not unncessary for human health, that is the strangest thing I've ever heard. As said before, the brain only exists on glycogen, the human body runs on glycogen and glucose (which are carbohydrates by the way). It's a simple fact, the body needs glycogen and glucose.
You are giving me links to very suspicious web sources. I don't trust anything on the internet, it's literally full of a bunch of misinformation and articles written by anyone. Just because it's popular on the internet doesn't mean it's real. I am very careful when it comes to believing anything I read on the internet.
Just adding, that I wish I could eat nothing but meat and animal products, because literally those are the only things I can digest easily.
Ketones are a product of fatty acid metabolism, btw, not protein breakdown. You can check my facts on the importance of carbohydrates in any physiology text. Not necessary. Gluconeogenesis does the trick.
It's a good idea to do your own research and be skeptical. Good luck.
Your body, your science experiment, as they say.
Well, are you having much luck with it yourself? Are you sure you are actually healthy? I guess the best you can go by is personal experience.
Yes, it is good to be skeptical, that way you are never led astray. After studying physiology and having actual text books here, I can truly say your facts are not actual facts that are accepted within the physiology community, that's not to say maybe there was a contradicting study done at some point in time, but as far as I see I don't see anything that contradicts it properly yet, it appears to be based on things that are written on the internet and every source has completely forgot to mention basic physiology in its equation.
Haven't added a recipe in awhile. I made this Breakfast Cookie Thursday, to take on a short trip, knowing we would eat lunch much later than normal and wanted something substantial to hold me over. Hubby liked it so much he asked if I would make another recipe of it so he could take it out to work on Monday, and I did that this morning.
Pumpkin Breakfast Cookies
(source: http://leelalicious.com/pumpkin-breakfast-cookies/)
Pumpkin Breakfast Cookies
Prep time
10 mins
Cook time
15 mins
Total time
25 mins
These pumpkin flavored healthy cookies make a great seasonal grab-and-go breakfast. With hearty wholegrain oats, cranberries and pumpkin seeds
Yield: 12 cookies
Ingredients
- ¼ cup Spectrum® coconut oil, melted (I used LouAna brand coconut oil - available at Wal-Mart - NO coconut flavor)
- ¼ cup honey
- 1 cup rolled oats
- 1 cup quick cooking oats
- ⅔ cup dried cranberries
- ⅔ cup pumpkin seeds
- ¼ cup ground flax
- 1 teaspoon pumpkin pie spice
- ½ teaspoon salt
- ½ cup pumpkin puree
- 2 eggs, beaten
Instructions
- Preheat oven to 325 F. Line a baking sheet.
- In a small bowl warm Spectrum® coconut oil and honey (either microwave, inside preheating oven or on the stove top).
- In a large bowl combine both kinds of oats, cranberries, pumpkin seeds, ground flax, pumpkin pie spice and salt. Add pumpkin puree, eggs and warmed coconut oil and honey. Stir until fully combined.
- Drop about ¼ cup sized scoops of the mixture onto a cookie sheet and flatten (cookies won't spread while baking). Bake for about 15-20 minutes until edges are lightly browned.
- Let cookies cool on baking sheet before moving to an airtight storage container.
Nutrition Information
Serving size: 1 cookie Calories: 221 Fat: 10.8g Saturated fat: 5g Carbohydrates: 27.2g Sugar: 10.7g Sodium: 111.6mg Fiber: 3.9g Protein: 6.7g Cholesterol: 31mg
Changes I made to the recipe:
1. Used reduced-sugar cranberries and only added 1/3 c. (instead of 2/3 c.) Nearly any kind of dried fruit could be used.
2. Used a 50/50 blend of ground chia and flax seeds. 1/4 c.
3. Instead of honey, used low-glycemic coconut palm nectar (aka coconut palm syrup - homemade version)
4. The raw pumpkin seeds were sprouted and dehydrated first - which makes them easier to digest and healthier for you.
Try this gluten-free recipe the next time you have 1/2 c. of pumpkin puree you don't know what to do with.
PUMPKIN CEREAL BARS
Blend together in a small bowl:
1 T. honey (or other liquid sweetener - coconut palm syrup, golden syrup, maple syrup, white corn syrup, sorghum syrup....
1 T. (melted) coconut oil
1/2 c. pumpkin puree
Mix together in another bowl:
2 c. crispy rice cereal
1/4 c. raisins
1/4 c. shredded unsweetened coconut
1/4 t. ginger (I used pumpkin pie spice.)
Grease an 8x8" square baking pan. Blend the cereal mixture into the pumpkin mixture. Fill the baking pan. Bake in a 350°F pre-heated oven for 30-minutes. Cool; cut into squares. Dust the top with powdered sugar (I would use Swerve or dextrose powder - in order to avoid sweeteners high in fructose.)
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