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    I just want to add my feelings that this video shopping is creepy and underhanded. I dont care if buried somewhere there might be something about being spyed upon by third parties or whether it is technically legal in your state.

    I am fine if the camera is in clear view, like with police cameras, but not hidden. I can see a phone device also when someone is pointing it at me and I understand that at someplace like a bank, police station or such there are cameras for security.

    just my own 2 cents and all it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetana3 View Post
    I just want to add my feelings that this video shopping is creepy and underhanded. I dont care if buried somewhere there might be something about being spyed upon by third parties or whether it is technically legal in your state.

    I am fine if the camera is in clear view, like with police cameras, but not hidden. I can see a phone device also when someone is pointing it at me and I understand that at someplace like a bank, police station or such there are cameras for security.

    just my own 2 cents and all it is worth.
    I would not completely disagree with you that this type of video shopping is underhanded. And maybe even a tad bit creepy. I think where my issue is, is I'd hold the company and the country responsible - America for allowing this to be legal in the 38 states that are one party consent states, and also the companies using video shopping for whatever reason. Taking your issues to those with the power to have allowed this to happen in the first place might yield better results, don't you think? At my level I'm only trying to survive turbo charged capitalism - something i never approved of nor signed up for in the first place. And I understand also that you are not attacking me here, sweetana3 - as you said, you are just stating your 2 cents. As am I. I even agree with your stance to some degree that this is creepy and underhanded - what i have a huge problem with though is that many people are OK with my being forced to flee to Mexico for health care but this, which strikes me as many, many, many notches down the survival pole - is such an issue? I don't get it, i just don't. At any rate i have covered myself by doing the due dilligence to make sure I'm legally safe doing this. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    I would not completely disagree with you that this type of video shopping is underhanded. And maybe even a tad bit creepy. I think where my issue is, is I'd hold the company and the country responsible -...
    ... and not hold *yourself* responsible, Rob, even though you are the fellow who is *doing* the filming and violating the privacy of others, for a few dollars in his own pocket. Sorry, not gonna fly.

    You know, there are a lot of things that are legal in this country, because our legal system isn't generally set up to enforce manners and civil behavior. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's a good thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    ... and not hold *yourself* responsible, Rob, even though you are the fellow who is *doing* the filming and violating the privacy of others, for a few dollars in his own pocket. Sorry, not gonna fly.

    You know, there are a lot of things that are legal in this country, because our legal system isn't generally set up to enforce manners and civil behavior. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's a good thing to do.
    Happy 4th Bae. I'm ducking out of this thread here and now as this is not going to go good places if i stay. I'll just agree to disagree with you and move on. Rob

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    The way I see it everything is filmed these days, there's a camera on every decent sized street corner and then some (and people really think filming without consent isn't legal? although it's not done by individuals in that case so maybe different rules apply). At least it's not a job with the TSA, working the porno scanners.

    Though refusing to take a job where you could ever stand a chance of being filmed seems to me about like officially declaring themselves unemployable. Because yea, there's cameras everywhere, even if they are *only* at the entry to the office, that's every time you walk in and out and that's if your lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    The way I see it everything is filmed these days, there's a camera on every decent sized street corner and then some (and people really think filming without consent isn't legal? although it's not done by individuals in that case so maybe different rules apply). At least it's not a job with the TSA, working the porno scanners.

    Though refusing to take a job where you could ever stand a chance of being filmed seems to me about like officially declaring themselves unemployable. Because yea, there's cameras everywhere, even if they are *only* at the entry to the office, that's every time you walk in and out and that's if your lucky.
    What Rob is doing is a different animal altogether. He will be secretly taping audio and video as he interacts with people. I run nearly a hundred video cameras at my place of employment, no audio and no infringement into personal space, no covert camera and no recording of personal interactions. Going that far is a violation of individual privacy, plus the entire interaction is designed to ferret out individuals having a bad day in order to take action against them. It's not necessarily illegal, maybe not even unethical, but it is a creepy thing to do. If I found someone secretly taping me, I'd escort their ass off the property post-haste after making sure they knew they'd be charged with trespassing if they returned.
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    Rob, I'm not judging you but I'm very surprised to read that you're willing to be a party to this type of operation. Yes, this is a free country and it is legal. But, when you try to justify if by connecting it to running to Mexico for health care, you lose me completely. Something is right or wrong on its own...it doesn't have to be justified by comparing it to a greater wrong.

    This job seems to go against your basic values in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valley View Post
    Rob, I'm not judging you but I'm very surprised to read that you're willing to be a party to this type of operation. Yes, this is a free country and it is legal. But, when you try to justify if by connecting it to running to Mexico for health care, you lose me completely. Something is right or wrong on its own...it doesn't have to be justified by comparing it to a greater wrong.

    This job seems to go against your basic values in life.
    I'm really surprised by some of the responses this thread has received, and i am very intrigued by yours especially. i mean no self defensiveness here - i really don't - especially as your post here is so reasonable. So - I hope this does not put you on the spot - if it does, please feel free to not answer, ok? Nothing wrong with choosing not to respond. I'm just curious as to how video shopping goes against my life values? Since your post has been so reasonable, you may very well make me think......Rob

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    I think I'm surprised by your decision to be part of this type of "mystery shopper", because you've always seemed to be against government/organizations prying into personal lives. You've tried hard to keep yourself somewhat private and even seemed a bit uncomfortable in the process of applying for health care and giving so much information about yourself. It just seems that secret recording of someone is just not your style. I realize that it's legal in your state...I'm just confused that it doesn't make you a little uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    What Rob is doing is a different animal altogether. He will be secretly taping audio and video as he interacts with people. I run nearly a hundred video cameras at my place of employment, no audio and no infringement into personal space, no covert camera and no recording of personal interactions. Going that far is a violation of individual privacy, plus the entire interaction is designed to ferret out individuals having a bad day in order to take action against them. It's not necessarily illegal, maybe not even unethical, but it is a creepy thing to do. If I found someone secretly taping me, I'd escort their ass off the property post-haste after making sure they knew they'd be charged with trespassing if they returned.
    If I remember correctly, you are self employed, correct? In that case, I'd say if you were against being video taped you would skate by with no legal consequences for escorting someone away from videotaping you. If you worked for corporate America, however - Ouch. Quite likely termination for not allowing yourself to be videoed as per corporate policy. And depending on how you handled the escorting - and any comments made during this process - potential litigation there for at least the company you represent. All well and good if you are self employed, but in the corporate world such refusal is not going to work well for you.....Rob

    Came back to add that mostly, you would only have to deal with this in the corporate world anyway.....this is the kind of situation in which you are going to be vulnerable to video mystery shopping, and then usually only in a few industries. Dental/medical offices are big, as are apartment shops and some mortgage shops. Shops that take a long time such as acting as if you have wealth for an investment adviser - I've always enjoyed these shops as it's a real chance for me to play a part and I have yet to be called out as a mystery shopper, meaning people must be buying it - anyway, these shops too are more and more likely to be videotaped these days. Quick and easy shops like the one I will be doing tomorrow at Coach don't get videotaped - the amount of data needed can be easily had from having a shopper do a traditional shop.

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