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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    Pick your poison. I'll take naive....(But naive isn't really how to describe it, because it actually has nothing to do with whether one thinks a happy ending is likely, it has nothing to do with whether one is an optimist, but about what is the right thing to do).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Well, you folks are a right bunch of inspiring optimists. So if we accept the fact that we humans are the reason the apocalypse is imminent...then it only follows that like you say....we humans are the only ones that can reverse it. What does science say about how many of us it’s going to take to get that done? Let’s see....7.5 billion of us. Would it take every single one of us, half heartedly reducing our carbon footprint? Or just 50% of us living in a eco friendly commune? Could you perhaps sell permits for people to get an exception? Right, that would be a carbon tax. And why should a guy like me or my ancestors deserve to live in a world that was saved by people like you if I didn’t lift a hand to assist in that effort? Or maybe I don’t.
    Difficult questions can have complicated answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    Gandhi said it best: Be the change you wish to see in the world.

    I always respect your opinion, and I know you're a nature lover the way you talk about your childhood in the PA woods. And I don't know who "people like you" (me) are? I'm not trying to do the math to see who needs to do what. I suck at math. And maybe the numbers won't add up and we'll all wind up in the armageddon you describe. But my mother taught me to make my bed and clean up my room, and for me, that's all it comes down to. I can't save the world, that much I know. But I can make my bed.*

    *And I can write my congressmen. And petition. And protest. And vote with my dollars. And take some of the money I earn from Big Pharma and siphon it to the NRDC, Sierra Club, and WWF.

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    Thats what I love about you Catherine........you could never sing “I Dreamed a Dream”

    There was a time when men were kind
    When their voices were soft
    And their words inviting
    There was a time when love was blind
    And the world was a song
    And the song was exciting
    There was a time
    Then it all went wrong
    I dreamed a dream in times gone by
    When hope was high and life worth living
    I dreamed, that love would never die
    I dreamed that God would be forgiving
    Then I was young and unafraid
    And dreams were made and used and wasted
    There was no ransom to be paid
    No song unsung, no wine untasted

    But the tigers come at night
    With their voices soft as thunder
    As they tear your hope apart
    As they turn your dream to shame
    He slept a summer by my side
    He filled my days with endless wonder
    He took my childhood in his stride
    But he was gone when autumn came
    And still I dream he'll come to me
    That we will live the years together
    But there are dreams that cannot be
    And there are storms we cannot weather
    I had a dream my life would be
    So different from this hell I'm living
    So different now from what it seemed
    Now life has killed the dream
    I dreamed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Thats what I love about you Catherine........you could never sing “I Dreamed a Dream”

    There was a time when men were kind
    When their voices were soft
    And their words inviting
    There was a time when love was blind
    And the world was a song
    And the song was exciting
    There was a time
    Then it all went wrong
    I dreamed a dream in times gone by
    When hope was high and life worth living
    I dreamed, that love would never die
    I dreamed that God would be forgiving
    Then I was young and unafraid
    And dreams were made and used and wasted
    There was no ransom to be paid
    No song unsung, no wine untasted

    But the tigers come at night
    With their voices soft as thunder
    As they tear your hope apart
    As they turn your dream to shame
    He slept a summer by my side
    He filled my days with endless wonder
    He took my childhood in his stride
    But he was gone when autumn came
    And still I dream he'll come to me
    That we will live the years together
    But there are dreams that cannot be
    And there are storms we cannot weather
    I had a dream my life would be
    So different from this hell I'm living
    So different now from what it seemed
    Now life has killed the dream
    I dreamed
    And I thought you knew me better than that. But I love that you quoted my absolutely hands-down favorite play ever. So, I forgive you for thinking I've lived a superficial life with no pain and disappointment. How little you know.
    "Do any human beings ever realize life while they live it--every, every minute?" Emily Webb, Our Town
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