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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    You've got me there. I'd be inclined to make an exception for saints, if not bloggers (although I'm not aware if Francis ever broke into an unoccupied house). I also doubt retirement planning was much of an issue in the 12th century. Nor was there a well-founded expectation that the taxpayers would keep you from starving, so the "money-free" life would have involved much higher stakes than it does today.

    The people we're talking about here, have much more of a safety net to back them up than the saints of old. They're not risking much more than going on the dole. Holding oneself out as an example to emulate to some of the very same people who will someday be supporting you is a nice bit of Chutzpah, but is it really all that admirable?
    I definitely want to follow up on this, but I'm too busy today making money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    I definitely want to follow up on this, but I'm too busy today making money.

    I'll be back.
    I bet you do! This is right up your alley!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    I was always told that denying the existence of the Holy Spirit is blaspheming.
    Sin requires object, intent and circumstance. Can someone with no belief in God meet the criteria of object? Or harbor a real intent to deny or insult that which you don't think exists? At best, you might be guilty of the sin of insulting or discomfiting believers, which falls in a different class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Sin requires object, intent and circumstance. Can someone with no belief in God meet the criteria of object? Or harbor a real intent to deny or insult that which you don't think exists? At best, you might be guilty of the sin of insulting or discomfiting believers, which falls in a different class.
    That is actually really interesting. Obviously this is not my forte.

    I just took The Blasphemy Challenge like so many did when the documentary The God Who Wasn't There came out and was making its rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    I wonder what naysayers thought of the Franciscan monks back in their era.

    But I also wonder about how people like Rob Greenfield fit in with Franciscan philosophy. Like for instance, Rob is giving you something. He is giving you the opportunity to be charitable to him. Seems rather Franciscan, in a way.

    Could deeming him a crumb bum and denying him charity be violating this old code? "What you do onto the least of my people, you do unto me." (Who was it that said this? I can't recall...)


    Furthermore, when I read into Rob's plan to be home-free with 111 possessions he said he can live without leaning on others, though he does trade labor and such for what he needs sometimes.
    I wouldn't characterize these people as "bums", necessarily. I would look at them more as the perpetual starving artist, professional student, etc. It's great to follow a dream or live your values, but it's even greater to do so while supporting yourself now and in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    That is actually really interesting. Obviously this is not my forte.

    I just took The Blasphemy Challenge like so many did when the documentary The God Who Wasn't There came out and was making its rounds.
    If you really want to get into the blasphemy business, though, I'd give certain adherents of Islam a wide berth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    If you really want to get into the blasphemy business, though, I'd give certain adherents of Islam a wide berth.

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    I posted the video so that the tangent we're on made more sense -- I did refer to the Blasphemy Challenge. That is all really.

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    Oh, I see, my bad, I get it now, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodeosweetheart View Post
    Oh, I see, my bad, I get it now, thanks!
    But as for the folks in the video. Perhaps they were simply moved to speak. Why judge them?

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