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    White collar automation?

    It seems that many well-paying jobs are lost due to automation and lots more to come. I wonder how those in their 40's and beyond will cope as they are just going into their saving years for retirement. There has been some discussion about this topic before but this link has a list of the jobs most at risk and requiring adaptation to remain employable.

    Source: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/auto...llar-1.3982466

    "Experts say the technological upheaval that's rocked industrial manufacturing for decades is set for rapid expansion into white-collar roles in fact, it's already begun in some sectors. The concern is that if people aren't prepared to adapt and quickly they could be left without work.

    Sunil Johal, policy director at the Mowat Centre think-tank at the University of Toronto, says millions more Canadians between 1.5 million and 7.5 million, many of them highly skilled workers could face such a fate over the next decade because of rapid technological advances, including in artificial intelligence and robotics, and the potential for automating increasingly sophisticated tasks...

    A pizzeria owned by a Canadian ex-pat in Silicon Valley provides a glimpse at how far and fast automation might go. Zume is a "co-bot" environment where robots Pepe, Jojo and Bruno help prepare the pizzas. Within five years, owner Alex Garden says the entire operation could be automated.

    "If you called to place your order with us you would probably be speaking to our artificial intelligence phone operator, and you may even have a drone or a self-driving car delivering your pizza," Garden said....

    Consider what's already happened at Goldman Sachs. In 2000, the investment bank had 600 cash equities traders highly-skilled, high-income workers on its floor. Today, it has two backed by 200 software engineers.
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    This has way more potential, then off shoring, or illegal immigrants, etc. especially with the total population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razz View Post
    It seems that many well-paying jobs are lost due to automation and lots more to come. I wonder how those in their 40's and beyond will cope as they are just going into their saving years for retirement. There has been some discussion about this topic before but this link has a list of the jobs most at risk and requiring adaptation to remain employable.

    Source: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/auto...llar-1.3982466

    "Experts say the technological upheaval that's rocked industrial manufacturing for decades is set for rapid expansion into white-collar roles — in fact, it's already begun in some sectors. The concern is that if people aren't prepared to adapt — and quickly — they could be left without work.

    Sunil Johal, policy director at the Mowat Centre think-tank at the University of Toronto, says millions more Canadians — between 1.5 million and 7.5 million, many of them highly skilled workers — could face such a fate over the next decade because of rapid technological advances, including in artificial intelligence and robotics, and the potential for automating increasingly sophisticated tasks...

    A pizzeria owned by a Canadian ex-pat in Silicon Valley provides a glimpse at how far and fast automation might go. Zume is a "co-bot" environment where robots Pepe, Jojo and Bruno help prepare the pizzas. Within five years, owner Alex Garden says the entire operation could be automated.

    "If you called to place your order with us you would probably be speaking to our artificial intelligence phone operator, and you may even have a drone or a self-driving car delivering your pizza," Garden said....

    Consider what's already happened at Goldman Sachs. In 2000, the investment bank had 600 cash equities traders — highly-skilled, high-income workers — on its floor. Today, it has two — backed by 200 software engineers.
    I am personally of the opinion that more and more people are going to embrace early retirement and will leave for countries with a much lower cost of living on retirement permanent residency visas and just bail on the rat race as the deck is so stacked against average people now. Why continue on the hamster wheel when it's not that hard to get off the wheel and out of the workplace if you have been saving over the years? What's in it for you when you get right down to it? My take is that more and more people will reach the obvious conclusion and just give up the fight and flee to escape working and the deck that is stacked against them. Now for people that have not been saving and/or have been unable to save, I wish I had some answers.....maybe it would be cheaper for countries to subsidize such people in lower cost countries than to keep them on social welfare in the developed world? It wouldn't surprise me at all if in the future such "exile"schemes came to be. From a dollars and cents perspective this is not a radical idea but quite practical plus it would get those exiled out of the crushingly unrealistic expectations forced upon people in developed countries these days, perhaps even expanding life expectancies for those "exiled" due to having the basic human right to not deal with/flee such insane and unrealistic expectations.

    Perhaps this is not all a bad thing when you get right down to it.....What working has become in the United States really is soul depleting and evil and vile for most people. I can't speak for other countries (other than Austria where it's not quite as soul depleting as in the US but things have slowly gotten worse for workers the past ten years) but in the US I believe the conservatives on this board would be stunned at how many would instantly jump at such a "buyout" aimed at reducing social welfare costs. And just think of the higher quality of life gained by those taking the "buyout" or "exile" or whatever you want to call it - just from not having to deal with the potential of economic terrorism entering your life at any time, completely unforeseen, via the American Health Care Industry. Such an idea truly would be win/win for so many people. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    I am personally of the opinion that more and more people are going to embrace early retirement and will leave for countries with a much lower cost of living on retirement permanent residency visas and just bail on the rat race as the deck is so stacked against average people now. Why continue on the hamster wheel when it's not that hard to get off the wheel and out of the workplace if you have been saving over the years? What's in it for you when you get right down to it? My take is that more and more people will reach the obvious conclusion and just give up the fight and flee to escape working and the deck that is stacked against them. Now for people that have not been saving and/or have been unable to save, I wish I had some answers.....maybe it would be cheaper for countries to subsidize such people in lower cost countries than to keep them on social welfare in the developed world? It wouldn't surprise me at all if in the future such "exile"schemes came to be. From a dollars and cents perspective this is not a radical idea but quite practical plus it would get those exiled out of the crushingly unrealistic expectations forced upon people in developed countries these days, perhaps even expanding life expectancies for those "exiled" due to having the basic human right to not deal with/flee such insane and unrealistic expectations.

    Perhaps this is not all a bad thing when you get right down to it.....What working has become in the United States really is soul depleting and evil and vile for most people. I can't speak for other countries (other than Austria where it's not quite as soul depleting as in the US but things have slowly gotten worse for workers the past ten years) but in the US I believe the conservatives on this board would be stunned at how many would instantly jump at such a "buyout" aimed at reducing social welfare costs. And just think of the higher quality of life gained by those taking the "buyout" or "exile" or whatever you want to call it - just from not having to deal with the potential of economic terrorism entering your life at any time, completely unforeseen, via the American Health Care Industry. Such an idea truly would be win/win for so many people. Rob
    They used to do that. It was called Colonialism. Let's say you got your wish, and the US taxpayers paid large numbers of our less competitive population to migrate to Third World countries. What would be in it for the recipient countries? They would be saddled with a new leisure class competing for housing and services, driving up prices and diluting the local culture with an entitlement mentality. I could easily see local populations resenting a program like this, perhaps violently.

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    So Gimme is pushing for Civil War and Succession, or American Imperialism, all while complaining that he wants to move to another country and not doing it?
    Am I the only one who hears this voice in my head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff View Post
    So Gimme is pushing for Civil War and Succession, or American Imperialism, all while complaining that he wants to move to another country and not doing it?
    Am I the only one who hears this voice in my head?
    I'm not about civil war and no snark going your way, either, ok? I honestly don't understand how you could come up with this conclusion based on my posts? I am however all for California seceding from the United States - I believe this could be a good thing for both Californians and for the United States, too - and for all those who might be able to switch sides before everything is formalized. If you were a liberal given the current political and economic climate - where would you rather be? In Trump's America or in a new country that is liberal friendly from it's very start? I don't believe given my political beliefs of which I have been very vocal that it's hard to understand why I'd flee to California at the drop of a hat if it were to split off. It's just common sense for me to do so in my book. How could I let such a once in a lifetime chance pass me by if it materializes?

    As to imperialism - this is not what I am about, either. I'm all about people getting out of the rat race if they so wish and not being victims of economic terrorism via the insanely overpriced American Health Care Industry. Given that there is likely to be less work in the future to go around for all of us due to multiple factors, especially automation, I believe it's only smart to lower the bill for social welfare to prevent revolution and utter chaos by offering citizens buyouts - a life without work somewhere cheaper in exchange for a monthly check that would stretch much further elsewhere than it would here. I can tell you that the 85006 would be a ghost town were this ever to happen - most people would flee without a second thought. There's really no real reason to work hard for most people these days in the sense that there is no getting ahead for most people the way things are set up now.....better to exit the nightmare and such would be good for America too via keeping social welfare costs down. I don't see why this is a negative thing - but then again I've lived in fear of America and all it stands for and will never really trust it so naturally I'm going to have a very cold bloodedly practical approach towards dealing with this country with no loyalty possible whatsoever. For me loyalty was lost the Summer of 1981.....a long story I will spare you'all.

    To recap, no I don't want a civil war - though I would not be surprised if one materializes though I hope it doesn't. I'm all for California seceding - it would be the sixth largest economy in the world standing on it's own and it really doesn't need the US - the US needs California. Lots of leverage there and I hope California uses it at some point - plus the wonderful chance for those in California for whom liberalism doesn't work to flee to the United States and those for whom America doesn't work to start over in a new country, with the potential of minimal hassle in order to do so. And no, I don't believe in imperialism - just economic survival with no loyalty to any one country whatsoever. All the above to me is nothing other than common sense. YMMV, I get that, and no one says you have to agree with me. I won't judge you for waving the US flag around - please don't judge me for bailing for the chance for something that works better for me. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    I won't judge you for waving the US flag around - please don't judge me for bailing for the chance for something that works better for me. Rob
    I don't think anyone judges you for your desire to live elsewhere, it has more to do with your desire for the rest of us to pay for your life of leisure in another country. That's just goofy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I don't think anyone judges you for your desire to live elsewhere, it has more to do with your desire for the rest of us to pay for your life of leisure in another country. That's just goofy.
    Perhaps I should have been more clear - I'm not talking a high end life of leisure. I'm talking of basic needs met via a monthly check without much luxury involved other than control of one's time, in exchange for a much lower social welfare bill and less chaos in America as work gets harder and harder to find and hunger starts becoming more and more obvious. I'm talking of a way to prevent societal collapse and perhaps an admission that America really doesn't work very well for many of it's citizens (which would be very apparent just from the number of people who would take such a buyout without thinking twice) - I truly believe conservatives in general would be stunned at how many people, even many conservatives, would pack up and run. I don't see how this idea is negative in any way - America would be able to prevent societal collapse orchestrated by those most vulnerable to inhumanely turbo charged capitalism and those taking the buyout would have more human rights in exchange for leaving. Win/win for all in my book, and very basic common sense to me. YMMV, I get that, but I'd hope you would wish to prevent societal collapse in a country you seem to believe in, Alan - do you have any better ideas to prevent collapse when there are fewer and fewer jobs to go around? I'm all ears.......and who knows, perhaps you can come up with something better? I don't know everything, I just have seen enough of the dark side of the US to be happy to bail in such a scenario. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    Perhaps I should have been more clear - I'm not talking a high end life of leisure. I'm talking of basic needs met via a monthly check without much luxury involved other than control of one's time, in exchange for a much lower social welfare bill and less chaos in America as work gets harder and harder to find and hunger starts becoming more and more obvious. I'm talking of a way to prevent societal collapse and perhaps an admission that America really doesn't work very well for many of it's citizens (which would be very apparent just from the number of people who would take such a buyout without thinking twice) - I truly believe conservatives in general would be stunned at how many people, even many conservatives, would pack up and run. I don't see how this idea is negative in any way - America would be able to prevent societal collapse orchestrated by those most vulnerable to inhumanely turbo charged capitalism and those taking the buyout would have more human rights in exchange for leaving. Win/win for all in my book, and very basic common sense to me. YMMV, I get that, but I'd hope you would wish to prevent societal collapse in a country you seem to believe in, Alan - do you have any better ideas to prevent collapse when there are fewer and fewer jobs to go around? I'm all ears.......and who knows, perhaps you can come up with something better? I don't know everything, I just have seen enough of the dark side of the US to be happy to bail in such a scenario. Rob
    I might agree with this in part, having the American public pay for a bus ticket to the border might well be an excellent investment, although the ongoing support to expatriates just to be rid of them is just throwing good money after bad. I wouldn't support that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I might agree with this in part, having the American public pay for a bus ticket to the border might well be an excellent investment, although the ongoing support to expatriates just to be rid of them is just throwing good money after bad. I wouldn't support that.
    It's throwing good money after bad to prevent societal collapse in a country with fewer and fewer jobs in the future and more crime, more violence, much more hunger, much more chaos? Is this the future you want for America, given that you believe in this country so much? I'd hope you'd want to prevent such given your obvious respect for and belief in the United States, Alan. I'll ask once again point blank - can you come up with anything better to prevent societal collapse down the road when something like 49% of all current jobs are automated? I'm all ears.....you don't have to agree with me but I will say that at this point I'm the only one of the two of us acknowledging the problem and I'm the only one of the two of us bringing a solution to the table. Please...enlighten me. As a conservative, what plans do you bring to the table to deal with intense automation and to prevent widespread chaos, and potential revolution/societal collapse in America's future? I'm all ears, the ball is in your court......Rob

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