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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    This plan works much better for me. I'd rather have the tax break and be able to fund a HSA. And I don't even have a iPhone.
    No surprise there. It was written with expletive in your demographic in mind.

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    It's a step in the right direction, but I doubt it will get through the Senate in it's present form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    I agree with both Chaffitz and
    Obama--make sure your health care is covered before you sign on for the latest and greatest iPhone.

    what is wrong with that?
    nothing. What is my problem is assuming that health care can be afforded without subsidies just with the cost of an iPhone. And that poor or lower middle class have it so easy. A hard life is about to get much harder

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    An iPhone SE retails for $399. I don't see how that price, even including the price of a monthly or pay-as-you-go cell/data plan, is anywhere near the cost of health care/insurance. A pair of Nike Air Jordans is $190... A Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Latte (Venti size) is $5.25.

    Is "iPhone" some sort of class dog-whistle now?

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    I really love it when people start blaming the poor

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    An iPhone SE retails for $399. I don't see how that price, even including the price of a monthly or pay-as-you-go cell/data plan, is anywhere near the cost of health care/insurance. A pair of Nike Air Jordans is $190... A Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Latte (Venti size) is $5.25.

    Is "iPhone" some sort of class dog-whistle now?
    I imagine it resonates with the same people who thought "Obamaphones" (generic flip phones) were an outrage. (There was government subsidized phone servce for years, under various administrations.)
    See above:
    "Let them eat cake."

    How about we institute a plan that does an end run around the insurance raptors and forces the Pharma bros to slash their exorbitant costs. Just a thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    How about we institute a plan that does an end run around the insurance raptors and forces the Pharma bros to slash their exorbitant costs. Just a thought...
    That's so unamerican of you to suggest something awful like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    That's so unamerican of you to suggest something awful like that.
    Yeah. I suppose investors would take a hit. Maybe they could move all their money to renewable resources. Another thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    Yeah. I suppose investors would take a hit. Maybe they could move all their money to renewable resources. Another thought...
    Are "big pharma" companies producing above-market yields? I mean, if they are such profiteers, it'd show up in the bottom line, right? Which ones are raking in the dough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Are "big pharma" companies producing above-market yields? I mean, if they are such profiteers, it'd show up in the bottom line, right? Which ones are raking in the dough?
    If they're not, they must be cooking the books. There's that red herring of R&D costs, most of which are covered by our taxes for universities. I will give you that their advertising budgets are YOOJ, much greater than R&D. There's a reason drug costs here are astronomically higher than anywhere else; we've elevated greed to the status of a virtue, and there are few laws in place to protect the patient.

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