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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Fortunately, I am old and won't be around decades longer, and then people will run the world the way they wish to run it. So be it. Dinosaurs die out, that is ok, someone/something comes along to take their place.

    It will be fine. They will be fine.

    Oh iris lilies that seems to be my sad outlook on so many things lately.

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    This guy was not much of a fan of capitalism:

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    The text reads

    "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions." ---A. Hitler, 1927


    I realize this doesnt prove anything since evil people can say anything, and can torque whatever philosophy into unconsciousable action, but it is nteresting. There is controversy about this Hitler Quote as to context, but like dJ Trump, it doesnt change that he said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lily View Post
    This guy was not much of a fan of capitalism:

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    The text reads

    "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions." ---A. Hitler, 1927


    I realize this doesnt prove anything since evil people can say anything, and can torque whatever philosophy into unconsciousable action, but it is nteresting. There is controversy about this Hitler Quote as to context, but like dJ Trump, it doesnt change that he said it.
    Shows how much the message can change when you're trying to come into power - and when you actually have it. Like Trump's preelection rhetoric it's not a goal, just a message to the rally the folks that think they are being screwed by those better off.

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    This short video talks about why some people are disenchanted with capitalism, and also speaks to my own concerns.The destruction / extraction from the natural world to create capital is winding up in the pockets of just a few people. It's now an illusion that "a rising tide lifts all boats."

    The video is very simplistic, but if it's more than 2 minutes, nobody will watch it. But I think it suggests some of the reasons that the Golden Cow of Capitalism is not as revered as it used to be.

    https://youtu.be/jA1_vcqvoFs

    I'm not anti-capitalism, and I'm not a socialist in the Hitler/Marx sense of the word, but I think any good thing can be be taken to an extreme, and I think that's where we are now--at the fringes of a system meant to benefit everyone, but we need to ask ourselves if it's REALLY doing that now.
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    Dd bought a "new" car. To replace their second car which has a $300 scrap value now that her dh is starting a full time job and they need two reliable cars. Heart daughter had her tires slashed this weekend, so dd gave her the old car. She would have done the same for any friend. Her social group seems to have a seperate economy. A "We work for the industrial capitalist patriarchy in order to get resources from them that we then share among ourselves" kind of thing.

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    I like that. I'm going to put "Industrial Capitalist Patriarch" on my business cards and LinkedIn profile.

    I enjoy how every generation thinks they invented sharing (along with other things). Working to get stuff so you can share it with your friends and family seems to be constantly relabeled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I like that. I'm going to put "Industrial Capitalist Patriarch" on my business cards and LinkedIn profile.

    I enjoy how every generation thinks they invented sharing (along with other things). Working to get stuff so you can share it with your friends and family seems to be constantly relabeled.
    haha.. maybe your LinkedIn friends would endorse you for that!

    I don't think it's a perceived invention of sharing. I think we need a constant reminder, and these "beatniks," "hippies," "back-to-the-landers," "Occopy-Wall-Streeet-ers" are simply trying to remind people that life doesn't have to be dog-eat-dog--because I think we forget. After all, you were the one that said the best economic model is the one that fosters competition--not cooperation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    haha.. maybe your LinkedIn friends would endorse you for that!

    I don't think it's a perceived invention of sharing. I think we need a constant reminder, and these "beatniks," "hippies," "back-to-the-landers," "Occopy-Wall-Streeet-ers" are simply trying to remind people that life doesn't have to be dog-eat-dog--because I think we forget. After all, you were the one that said the best economic model is the one that fosters competition--not cooperation.
    I think the best system fosters various groups cooperating to compete with other groups. I think a Hobbesian dog-eat-dog scenario is every bit as unrealistic as the entitlement mentality.

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    Working to get stuff so you can share it with your friends and family seems to be constantly relabeled.
    it does seem a fast path to personal bankruptcy, are they at least trying to get jobs that pay enough to live off of? I know enough people potentially heading for poverty, but it's a bit much to personally bail them all out.
    If you want something to get done, ask a busy person. If you want them to have a nervous breakdown that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    it does seem a fast path to personal bankruptcy, are they at least trying to get jobs that pay enough to live off of? I know enough people potentially heading for poverty, but it's a bit much to personally bail them all out.
    If you're the only one with means in that kind of a living situation, you're doing it with the wrong people. They are also supposed to be working to share with you.

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