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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    I guess now we know why there aren't any funny republican comedians. I doubt most people find it funny to think about people dying because rich people needed a tax cut. Although now that I think about it, Reagan's press secretary thought people dying was something to make jokes about. But since they were just gay men I guess it was ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    I guess now we know why there aren't any funny republican comedians. I doubt most people find it funny to think about people dying because rich people needed a tax cut. Although now that I think about it, Reagan's press secretary thought people dying was something to make jokes about. But since they were just gay men I guess it was ok.
    i thought it was great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    i thought it was great.
    It's nice to know that you think it would be funny if trump's wealthcare bill passes and my friend Amy's breast cancer reoccurs that she would be forced to either die or go bankrupt paying entirely out of pocket for treatment for a pre-existing condition.

    I bet you and paul ryan have a blast together at kegger parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Does Federal law require local law enforcement to *determine* immigration status though? Or to hold people on suspected immigration violations, at local expense, until ICE arrives? My county just passed one of those (silly-IMO) "sanctuary county" laws, and the text seems to address the unfunded-mandate portion of the problem, as well as reinforce that our local law enforcement doesn't inquire about immigration status or maintain records of such things unless they are connected with some other crime.
    I have to wonder if your local officials take their role of protecting public safety seriously or if they are more interested in making a social justice statement at the cost of victimizing those they took an oath to serve.

    They obviously don't realize the security threat caused by such policy and the exposure of taxpayers to the expense of dealing with repeat offenders of the criminal alien kind. To say nothing of the risk of monetary settlements for the victimization of citizens killed, injured or otherwise fallen prey to an illegal who was recently in local police presence and failure to determine status when reasonable suspicion existed or worse....ignored at the order of officials information that would lead a trained officer to learn the status through one simple query of NCIC.

    By the way, that simple query is routinely made on minor traffic infractions. As part of that query....the Immigration Violator File identifies criminal aliens whom immigration authorities have deported and aliens with outstanding warrants of removal.

    Local and State Law Enforcement are the eyes of ICE and force multipliers. Without them....the Mission of INS cannot be fulfilled. The Supreme Court has upheld the cooperative nature of immigration enforcement and supports the Federal Right to preempt local policy on this.

    It is both financially wreckless and ethically indefensible to foster sanctuary policy. The fact is, law enforcement would have to not only turn a blind eye.....they would actually have to intentionally neglect to do their job in order to obey sanctuary policies that forbid providing information or detaining for 48 hrs on emergency commitment.

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    On the other hand, california experienced a 10% drop in hit and run accidents after we started allowing undocumented people to get driver's licenses. Having a whole group of people terrified of interacting with law enforcement might not be the best in terms of them doing their jobs of keeping people safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    I have to wonder if your local officials take their role of protecting public safety seriously or if they are more interested in making a social justice statement at the cost of victimizing those they took an oath to serve.
    Ya think?

    Especially as this county is *right on the border*, and has historically been a major smuggling route for goods and people.

    When ICE set up their checkpoints at the ferry landing on the mainland a few years ago, so they checked every single person here travelling "to the USA" from here, they caught a *lot* of people with outstanding warrants who had figured this was a good place to hide. They also irritated a lot of law-abiding citizens who were trying to go about their daily business travelling entirely within the US on state highway facilities...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    It's nice to know that you think it would be funny if trump's wealthcare bill passes and my friend Amy's breast cancer reoccurs that she would be forced to either die or go bankrupt paying entirely out of pocket for treatment for a pre-existing condition.

    I bet you and paul ryan have a blast together at kegger parties.
    my wife had breast cancer. I just plan to keep paying the health insurance premiums. or I'll pay out of pocket.

    I don't remember people dieing in the streets 8 years ago.

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    Several studies have shown that among people who lose their health insurance roughly 1 in 1,000 die every year d to lack of healthcare. You can do the math for what that means if 24 million people lose their insurance.

    I'm glad you can afford to pay out of pocket if pre-existing condition exclusions come back. As a freelance journalist I doubt that my friend has that option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    I don't remember people dieing in the streets 8 years ago.
    Have you looked? Poor people dying doesn't make the news.

    I have friends who have had to go bankrupt because they couldn't afford their medical bills. My BIL was admitted to the hospital with extremely high blood pressure (220/120). If he didn't have Obamacare he wouldn't have been able to afford the treatment.

    I'm sure there are a million stories.

    On the topic of entitlements, here's an article that was posted on CNN today about First Daughter speaking up for paid family leave

    I heartily endorse Ivanka Trump's argument that the real test of an entitlement program is whether it is an investment in the security and prosperity of all Americans. From my point of view, that is a far better use of resources than adding to the nest eggs of the children of the super-rich, who are already quite entitled enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Several studies have shown that among people who lose their health insurance roughly 1 in 1,000 die every year d to lack of healthcare. You can do the math for what that means if 24 million people lose their insurance.

    I'm glad you can afford to pay out of pocket if pre-existing condition exclusions come back. As a freelance journalist I doubt that my friend has that option.
    Everyone makes choices. I never expected others to provide for me, so worked and saved to take care of myself and family. I would have much prefered to be a golf pro or porn star, but I wouldn't have been able to pay the bills.

    How many of that 24 million number are people that chose not to have healthcare? How many were going to die soon anyway? Nobody lives forever. How many choose to pay for cell phones, beer and weekends off instead of working and saving?

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