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    The rich have always had a quirky sense of humor--witness "dead peasant insurance." Hahaha, oh rolling on the floor with laughter. So funny.
    The mass of us are just "peasants" and "useless eaters" to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    Have you looked? Poor people dying doesn't make the news.

    I have friends who have had to go bankrupt because they couldn't afford their medical bills. My BIL was admitted to the hospital with extremely high blood pressure (220/120). If he didn't have Obamacare he wouldn't have been able to afford the treatment.

    I'm sure there are a million stories.

    On the topic of entitlements, here's an article that was posted on CNN today about First Daughter speaking up for paid family leave
    I heartily endorse Ivanka Trump's argument that the real test of an entitlement program is whether it is an investment in the security and prosperity of all Americans. From my point of view, that is a far better use of resources than adding to the nest eggs of the children of the super-rich, who are already quite entitled enough.
    according to this article, the top eight reasons for high blood pressure are lifestyle choices. I'm sure many of the million stories are the same.

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    So if you have high blood pressure, and you--in part--caused it, you should just die. Got it.
    One, and I think arguably the most important, reason for high blood pressure is stress. And poor people have that in spades.
    Some minorities are prone to HBP, possibly exacerbated by the afore-mentioned stress.
    When did we sink to the point that finger-pointing and judging replaced actual health care? Not a world I'm happy to live in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    Everyone makes choices. I never expected others to provide for me, so worked and saved to take care of myself and family. I would have much prefered to be a golf pro or porn star, but I wouldn't have been able to pay the bills.
    So one of my friends who went bankrupt with a heart attack actually is a golf pro, a teaching pro. Gee, if ALL the golf pros decided to get a REAL job and stop being 50-hour-a-week-working deadbeats, who the heck would be around to teach all the rich people how to play?



    ETA, as far as your accusing my BIL of not being deserving of healthcare because he probably did it on himself, he had this emergency AFTER spending a year of his life watching his diet, adopting a running program, and losing 60 lbs. But he *is* completely stressed out about losing his home. Let's make him feel even worse and take away his ability to deal with a huge, expensive, unanticipated medical event, so that when he sells his home and get a small windfall, he can just pass that along to the hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    Everyone makes choices. I never expected others to provide for me, so worked and saved to take care of myself and family. I would have much prefered to be a golf pro or porn star, but I wouldn't have been able to pay the bills.

    How many of that 24 million number are people that chose not to have healthcare? How many were going to die soon anyway? Nobody lives forever. How many choose to pay for cell phones, beer and weekends off instead of working and saving?
    It'll be sure and castigate my friend for choosing to get breast cancer the next time I talk to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    Everyone makes choices. I never expected others to provide for me, so worked and saved to take care of myself and family.
    I bet this guy has said the same thing plenty of times.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ton_state.html

    Yet there he is gratefully thanking the government employees who are paid by taxpayers subsidizing his decision to live in a fire zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    Everyone makes choices. I never expected others to provide for me, so worked and saved to take care of myself and family. I would have much prefered to be a golf pro or porn star, but I wouldn't have been able to pay the bills.

    How many of that 24 million number are people that chose not to have healthcare? How many were going to die soon anyway? Nobody lives forever. How many choose to pay for cell phones, beer and weekends off instead of working and saving?
    I'm troubled by this idea that those who will die without adequate access to healthcare are somehow improvident and lazy. When I had my sudden, life-threatening illness, I was working three jobs and my husband was working two jobs.

    Yes, I did make a lifestyle choice and leave my first husband, who had threatened to kill his first ex-wife. He was mentally unstable, but he was pulling in four hundred thousand dollars a year and owned his own private plane. The bills were paid while we were there--but when we left, he wasn't going to buy health insurance for the children, even though he was court ordered to do so. Dealing with him over the years of the divorce definitely raised my blood pressure, especially when he stalked me and I had to get a protective order.

    The lifestyle choice that resulted in the life-threatening illness? Uh, wrong grandparent with family history of lung disease? Father who smoked three packs of day when I was growing up, and now has emphysema, and by the way, I am expected to use my resources to care for him, as well?

    I think this kind of social Calvinism will lead either to universal health care or assisted/encouraged suicide program for Americans. And my money is on the latter.

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    Each time the government makes major policy like the ACA, there are winners and there are losers. A lot of people considered themselves losers when the ACA went into effect because they actually lost something--a service, a good price, etc. And a LOT of people didnt even sign up for ACA health insurance even though IT WAS THE LAW!!! Why is that if the ACA is such a good thing? I don't u derstand, hmmm.

    Just shows how THE LAW works as a stick, not so good.

    Personally, we find that the ACA/public exchange policy we have works fine in that the premiums are half the cost of our COBRA policy. But we havent really tested the health care services it covers, so who really knows if it is adequate in that regard.

    The point of the "People will die" video is to suggest that perhaps reason as well as empathy should guide public policy. I see no reason or objectivity in Senator Warren's declarations from the podium that PEOPLE WILL DIE!!! Is perfect fodder for parody.

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    Many illnesses run in families. If you get hit by a bus when you are young and are paralyzed from your neck down you are not going to have the resources to provide for your family. Some of you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that many people work hard and still have horribly bad things happen to them that is beyond their control. Many jobs now don't even come with health insurance. I have seen people go bankrupt even with medical insurance if they have cancer due to inability to work, large deductibles, co-pays, etc. Especially if the cancer keeps coming back. I had friends where her insurance came back 8x's and then he got cancer. Eventually they lost a paid for home because they took $ out of it to pay for medical expenses and then other expenses when too sick to work. They had health insurance. She first wqas unable to work due to being too sick. She loved to work so went back as soon as she was well. Unfortunately, her brain no longer worked right and after 2 years was fired. The doctors thought she had chemo brain but eventually after man years realized she had early onset alzheimer's. These people did everything right yet died broke. He sold everything they had before dying to pay all creditors. I eventually had to apply for Medicaid to pay for her nursing home care because her monthly pension and SS did not pay the whole bill. So this couple did everything right but it did not matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tybee View Post
    I'm troubled by this idea that those who will die without adequate access to healthcare are somehow improvident and lazy.
    EVEN IF they were it hardly seems a Death Penalty worthy crime, not when so much else that is far worse goes unpunished. At best you can say such things are anti-social (not that we really need as much work as is done but it's fair enough to want widespread participation in what work is necessary) but a lot of other things are MUCH MORE anti-social (most anything that pollutes our shared environment surely is) and yet people get rich off that.

    I can't say I would know what it is like to date (never even mind marry) someone earning 400k as I doubt I've ever dated anyone making 6 figures period. But he sounds like a really horrible person, so good you got away.

    The lifestyle choice that resulted in the life-threatening illness? Uh, wrong grandparent with family history of lung disease? Father who smoked three packs of day when I was growing up, and now has emphysema, and by the way, I am expected to use my resources to care for him, as well?
    chose wrong parents obviously.

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    as for those who want to be porn stars, noone stopped them from getting into that career if they really think it is all that, of course that is assuming they have the qualifications.
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