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    When I worked out in AZ, during the reign of Sheriff Joe, I felt pretty safe -- despite working for a union of Mexican immigrant construction workers, many of which (at the time) had no papers.

    Why did I feel safe? Because of El Robbo.

    El Robbo was a legend among Mexican immigrants -- including the guys I worked for and with. At the end of the work day we'd all say: "Vaya con El Robbo!"

    The "Robbozistas" were a well-known cadre of radicals -- like a modern Robin Hood and his Merry Men. El Robbo led them to steal from the rich and give to the poor.

    The Ghost of Tom Joad ain't got nothing on El Robbo de 85006!
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    If you act nervous they will think you are hiding something. Try to relax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    If you act nervous they will think you are hiding something. Try to relax.
    You definitely don't want them to suspect you keistered something, Rob! So just maintain and play it cool!
    I came from a real tough neighborhood. I put my hand in some cement and felt another hand." -- Rodney Dangerfield

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    I get horribly nervous crossing any border, Rob. I always have! My sympathies, and I feel for you.

    When I was a little kid, I used to think we were aliens because we had moved from Georgia. They would announce on television that aliens should register each year, and I just knew my parents had forgotten to register, since they were very laid back about things like that.

    Does anyone else remember those television ads about "alien registration"? This would have been in the late 50's early 60's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tybee View Post
    I get horribly nervous crossing any border, Rob. I always have! My sympathies, and I feel for you.

    When I was a little kid, I used to think we were aliens because we had moved from Georgia. They would announce on television that aliens should register each year, and I just knew my parents had forgotten to register, since they were very laid back about things like that.

    Does anyone else remember those television ads about "alien registration"? This would have been in the late 50's early 60's.
    Thank You, Tybee. I share this with you - I find crossing borders in general to be very nerve wracking. For many years one reason I loved crossing into Mexico had nothing to do with costs or savings or health care - quite simply for many years you would just cross a turnstille (sp?) without interacting with any government official and boom - there you were in Mexico, a foreign country, just like that. That changed in 2013 and now there are officials at the Mexican border.......though last time I crossed in Nogales it was very simple.....just press a button and if the light is green, you enter Mexico - if it is red, your bags get searched. Not a big deal, and nothing like crossing back into the US - but it was so nice while it lasted not to have to deal with a government official to just enter another country. Though I don't know how realistic or practical such is in this world we live in today.

    At any rate, I get it.....border crossings are one of my last favorite things to do - I'd much rather be in a dentist's chair in Mexico having an affordable root canal than reenter the US a few hours later...........Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    You know your on the watch list being the leader of the 85006.
    I'm not the leader of the 85006 - as I've stated before, in this zip code I am well known due to my activism. Leave the 85006 and I'm nothing.....and I'm certainly no leader of the zip code I live in. Where did you get this from if I may ask? I wouldn't even want to be the leader of the 85006 if such a position existed - I just want to be left alone to engage in activism to make the world a slightly better place. That's it, that's all. No wishes for power here. Rob

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    welp, we never heard how it went

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultralight View Post
    Rob:

    You're basically screwed. I am fairly certain they will arrest you, make you a part of a chain gang, and they will sentence you to build Trump's border wall. And once the wall is built they will punish you with a life sentence of living in America.
    I seriously doubt such would happen. What I am worried about is being interrogated and potentially detained for refusal to hand over passwords to social media accounts - something the US CBP has been having a field day with since Trump was sworn in. It helps that I am a US Citizen in the sense that there is only so much they can do to me before the ACLU will take the case, and tney have to let me reenter if they choose to harrass me, and it helps that I know the cut off that is accepted as not being excessive for detainments is 12 hours.....keep me detained for 12 hours and one second and I can go the ACLU, social media, and litigation routes.

    Something I find very creepy about the US border is that until you are readmitted, you are essentially in a Constitution Free zone and you don't have many rights until you reenter the country and the US CBP has essentially free reign to treat you how they wish with minimal checks and balances on them (if any). But there are a few points that can gain you leverage over them - 1. not being readmitted while holding a valid US passport that truly is yours, and 2. Being detained for one second over 12 hours as a US Citizen. Both or either can gain you some traction, some publicity, and potentially a settlement from the US CBP.

    I just wish the border had not become so militarized as it is now that you really need to know these things before crossing. It does help that I speak English as a first language and even more, the fact that I have white skin helps, too. And I know not to take a smartphone with me (a rare exception to my oft repeated rule) as the US CBP has been demanding to download the contents of traveler's smart phones more and more since Trump was sworn in. For you conservatives out there, this did happen under Obama, yes, you are right. But it has increased in scope and intensity since Trump was sworn in and you are better off crossing with a cheap flip phone (I'll be burrowing my Mom's). Also, since it's a short trip, the laptop stays home, and the tablet I bought from Target for 33.33 on Black Friday last year stays home, too. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by freshstart View Post
    welp, we never heard how it went
    I'm not crossing until nest Thursday, July 20th......but I will update
    this thread that evening from my husband's relatives place. Hopefully things will go smooth - my real concern as I've stated is reentering the US. Going to Mexico is no big deal for me at all. Rob

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    Oh, Rob, good luck, seriously. What a nightmare. Travel safe and stay healthy!

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