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    But here: http://www.bleedingcontrol.org/

    Background:
    Motivated by the 2012 tragedy in Sandy Hook and multiple tragedies that have occurred in the ensuing years, what has become known as the Hartford Consensus was convened to bring together leaders from law enforcement, the federal government, and the medical community to improve survivability from manmade or natural mass casualty events. The resulting injuries from these events generally present with severe bleeding which, if left unattended, can result in death. The participants of the Hartford Consensus concluded that by providing first responders (law enforcement) and civilian bystanders the skills and basic tools to stop uncontrolled bleeding in an emergency situation, lives would be saved. The first responder program has received very good response and is widely being used across the country.

    The next step is to focus on needs of civilian bystanders.

    Need:
    Civilians need basic training in Bleeding Control principles so they are able to provide immediate, frontline aid until first responders are able to take over care of an injured person. Due to many situations, there may be a delay between the time of injury and the time a first responder is on the scene. Without civilian intervention in these circumstances, preventable deaths will occur.
    Mission/Objective:

    The American College of Surgeons Committee on Trauma is leading the effort to save lives by teaching the civilian population to provide vital initial response to stop uncontrolled bleeding in emergency situations. This will be accomplished by the development of a comprehensive and sustainable bleeding control education and information program targeted to civilians that will inform, educate and empower the 300+million citizens of the United States.

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    Check out this article from The Onion. It really zings!

    ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

    http://www.theonion.com/article/no-w...ere-this-36131
    I came from a real tough neighborhood. I put my hand in some cement and felt another hand." -- Rodney Dangerfield

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    African American community could claim disproportionate targeting in gun restriction in the scenario you describe, protection from renegade cops.
    It didn't work out that way for Philando Castile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    It didn't work out that way for Philando Castile.
    In the tragic case of Philando Castile, the “cop” was not a renegade ....just poorly trained and ill prepared for duty. He was found not guilty and acquitted of all charges by a jury which seated two African Americans. The jury could not based on the law find the officer culpable beyond a reasonable doubt. It was horrible but not a racially motivated hate crime.

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    I've stayed out of the thread both due to time issues this week (someone out of work this week due to surgery, been getting OT), as well as my general belief this is more of a vent thread, then a lets actually do something logical. (knee jerk reaction similar to the patriot bill, where people didn't think what they were actually allowing)
    On another forum, a member there, has posted some account from his spouse who was at the concert. (they are a gun owning family) The shots were hitting close enough to some microphone, that they were hearing the shots from the speakers at the concert, causing confusion as to the directionality of the shooter. A noise suppressor wouldn't have made any difference to that and I don't know that we will ever know if he was smart enough to have figured that into his plan. Those that think it makes a gun completely silent, have watched enough tv, that they might also ban pillows.
    The whole bumpfire stock thing, is nothing but a feel good measure, to stop something that separates a fool from his money. (one that Obama administration signed off on, when the BATF determined they were legal, which from what I read, is what the NRA is calling for, another review)

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    part 3

    Bump fire stock verses great shooter with standard AR style stock (the point here is the bump fire wasn't as accurate, but not that much faster)

    So office supplies, sleeping supplies, auto parts (suppressors), will all need banning.

    Ultra, how often do you drive your vehicle?
    How about the vehicles going into crowds, or being used as car bombs (even here, in OK, or the WTC pre 911). Heck, lets just take a gallon of gas from your car:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...ticle-1.173625
    More wounded in this attack, more killed in that attack.
    How about we wait until the investigation of the sites is complete and have all the facts before we "react" and then act accordingly?

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    You’ll want to ban this book too, and lock up everybody who has been trained to use it.


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    Any politician who seems to want to claim second amendment protect for bump fire stocks will be run out of town on a rail, tarred and feathered. The President is a populist, not an idealog. This thing will go to the desk of the head of the BATF where some “after further consideration” explanation will be issued to placed the little plastic doodad in violation of the guidance on firearm alterations. In practice, it will do nothing to make concert going a safer form of leisure if a nutjob wants to massacre people.

    But it is a brilliant move to shield politicians and take the focus off the firearm and ammunition. It will make everyone feel better about it. Still, the bump stock is only buying time. The real attacks on the second amendment will come later but by that time the NRA will have fortified their defenses, time will have passed and enough of the public will return to stand with them. Look for proposed regulations on the sale of ammunition and magazine capacities again. Another big round of arguing to follow. We live in a nation infatuated with firearms.

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    TMS, the Republicans are rushing, before the investigation is complete, so they can get credit for some legislation lest Trump partner with the Democrats on Capitol Hill again and beat them to it.

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