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    Australia got serious about gun control after a 1996 mass shooting. We can too if we want too. People can still hunt, etc. I know Australia is surrounded with water so there borders are easier to control. They bought many of the guns from citizens. Former casino workers admit that they overlook odd behavior by high rollers because they don't want to lose their business. We can either work to solve the problem or do nothing as more innocent people are slaughtered.

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    I hear about these buy backs, but what do they pay. I have some guns that are worth several thousand each. Or is this really just confiscation where the government pays penny on the dollar?

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    The buybacks are voluntary. The benefit is not financial but if you have a gun illegally you can turn it in no questions asked.

    Edited to add: I was thinking of buyback programs in the U.S. They are voluntary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    Australia got serious about gun control after a 1996 mass shooting. We can too if we want too. People can still hunt, etc. I know Australia is surrounded with water so there borders are easier to control. They bought many of the guns from citizens. Former casino workers admit that they overlook odd behavior by high rollers because they don't want to lose their business. We can either work to solve the problem or do nothing as more innocent people are slaughtered.
    Im sure your heart is in the right place but I would point out:

    Australia does not have a Bill of Rights. The gun “buy back” program was a confiscation that was obligatory and enforced rather ironically by threat of a pointed gun. Australian citizens must prove they need a gun and self defense is not evidence of that need. If you are a woman who is being threatened by an ex and stalked, you can’t get a gun.

    In America, most gun owners do so for self defense. Australia confiscated and destroyed 1/5 of all guns in the country. If America did this they would have to take and destroy up to 100 million guns from millions of citizens whose primary reason for owning them in the first place is to prevent a tyrannical government from confiscating them. How’s that going to end? Don’t forget about deplorables and bitter clingers. They won’t be driving to collection stations to turn over their guns and a house to house beat down on doors guarantees bloodshed.

    Australia does not have a history that includes armed revolution to gain independence from England. England gave them their independence. Applying Australia’s solution to mass murder to the United States would end up in mass civil unrest and revolution.

    As soon as everybody else in this country is disarmed.......I’ll give up all mine. Well, the ones they find.

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    Unfortunately, I gave most of mine away, and then there was the boating accident.

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    Double post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    They won’t be driving to collection stations to turn over their guns and a house to house beat down on doors guarantees bloodshed.
    "And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur -- what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

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    I am not suggesting that we need to do exactly as Australia did. I agree with people having guns for self-defense and to hunt, etc. Our founding fathers could have never envisioned that our guns could kill hundreds of people in minutes. WE need to come up with a reasonable plan to keep these types of guns out of the ordinary citizens hands. Just because you can build one of these yourself as Bae says does not mean we throw up our hands and do nothing. Many people are too lazy or inept to build one. WE as a country need to come together and look at reasonable solutions to this huge problem and not by overreacting or doing nothing. There must be a better middle ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    There must be a better middle ground.
    Every time this comes up though, the discussion isn't about "the middle ground". It's about taking away things.

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    Well then that needs to change.

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