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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    It’s just jury duty. Nobody’s asking you to hold Bastogne against the Nazis.
    LOL I'd love to use this line during a last minute food and beverage crisis.......but know better. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveinMN View Post
    So who's gonna die if you alone are not there to fix the problem?

    Seriously, perspective. If, as you say, you're "a dime a dozen", someone else can figure out how to respond to the customer. If you're that critical to your company's work, you really should have documented policies and procedures and a succession plan. Let sitting jury duty be the illumination to what apparently is a terrible gap in your company's workflow.
    Much of food and beverage is last minute, by the seat of your pants and survivalistic in nature - I'd even go so far as to call it Darwinistic. How I've survived it all these years seriously when I have time to comtemplate, is very much a mystery to me. But to my point....succession plan? No such thing exists and I've never heard of such a thing in a non-executive f and b position. Perhaps at the very highest end but not in everyday food and beverage. We do have documented policies and procedures but during last minute crisis, it's all survival based. That's just how it goes and this does not mesh at all well with something like jury duty - there's really no room for such in this biz unless you are part time or on-call and not in management. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tybee View Post
    Rob, I hated jury duty and was surprised and distressed when I was chosen. It was extremely stressful to sit in judgment on my peers.
    On the other hand, I felt good doing my civic duty and felt good that I made myself available to be on the jury, as I am a fair person and I would want someone like myself on a jury if I were ever in that situation.
    So for me, it was a matter of duty and of doing unto others as I would want done to me. I believe in our jury system and I need to do my part to make sure that we still have a jury system. I think it is a duty of citizenship, and transcends duty to my coworkers, and yes, I had to miss work and lost money.

    I don't quite understand your take on this, as I believe that our jury system is one of the protections that we have as citizens. I don't understand why you are not invested in protecting a fair jury system.
    Tybee. your posts has really made me think for a bit and I wanted to take some time before I replied to you. I do agree with you - the thought of sitting in judgement on my peers in this setting is very stressful to me, too - but I'm going to guess for a different reason?

    My take is that there are too many laws, that victimless crimes should often not be prosecuted, and that the American (and to be fair, also Canadian) way of punishing those convicted of both felonies and misdemeanors for the remainder of their lives through various bars that can not be overcome with any kind of record - I have a hard time, a very hard time being part of that. I'm not saying that all crimes should not be punished - certainly I'd agree with murder and rape and exploitation of the elderly and child abuse or whatever heinous awful crime you can think of should be punished. But I've got issues with the system not allowing for a fresh start EVER once convicted (enough so that I'd have no problem doing an automatic not guilty in many cases) and also for the sentencing gap that exists between men and women for similar crimes (men serve longer sentences on average and I ABSOLUTELY would use my vote for a not guilty for this reason alone).....let's just leave it that much of how American justice is doled out and how it works flat out does not work for me. I am 100% unable to see this or to divorce myself from this stance.......and I've known too many people in the 85006 who were mistreated by the justice system - I can't unsee this, either.

    Realistically, I am indeed unfit to be a juror based on the expectation of impartiality. I just am unable to provide this - my life experiences in America have rendered me unable to meet this requirement.

    For the record, I find this fact both depressing and stressful. It would be nice if I were capable of believing in the system and if I were capable of filling the role that society seems to expect as far as jury duty goes - but that ship sailed long ago. Life showed me/taught me lessons that preclude myself from every being able to fit this expected role. As it is said in Spanish - Asi es la vida. So is life.

    Give me some credit. With my life experiences I still showed up for jury duty anyway - I know folks in the 85006 who refuse to appear for moral and ethical reasons. At least I showed. Given my life experiences, I consider this a concession. Rob

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    Update: Down to one case remaining with no one from the pool called upstairs! So hoping to be out of here by noon.......Rob

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    There is a lot of settling/plea dealing on criminal cases, on the day of the trial. One common thing said, is Do you want all those unhappy to be here, people coming up and deciding your fate.
    Civil trials, are more likely to go through, IMHE.

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    And I got my wish!!! Out by 11:40 AM and no uncomfortable judgemental situations to endure. Color me grateful on this one. It could have been much more unpleasant. I'm off to the Convention Center - I'm sure they will be glad I'm dropping by and offering to punch in. Rob

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    Did you get thanked for your service?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    LOL I'd love to use this line during a last minute food and beverage crisis.......but know better. Rob
    I keep my grandfather's Silver Star where I can see it every morning - both as a salutary reminder that I am a lesser son of braver sires, and to ponder the debt I owe those who paid in blood and grief to build and preserve this experiment of ours. A few hours in a courthouse seems like little enough to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I keep my grandfather's Silver Star where I can see it every morning - both as a salutary reminder that I am a lesser son of braver sires, and to ponder the debt I owe those who paid in blood and grief to build and preserve this experiment of ours. A few hours in a courthouse seems like little enough to ask.
    This is one that I want a like button for. Gold star flag in the living room, bullet in the woodwork in the kitchen, both reminders of things done to give us the chance of life we have.

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    When the going gets tough, I remind myself that my father survived combat in the jungles of New Guinea. Sometimes it helps.

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