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    Recently Congress extended the surveillance act which was expanded during the Bush administration after 911. While this is admittedly an entirely different concern than you have originally expressed.....the existence and use of it should be of concern to anyone who uses social media or the internet. While it began as a way to ramp up the efficiency of foreign intelligence, it necessarily had to confront the situations where Americans were communicating with foreign targets.

    What it has essentially done is turned over domestic surveillnance to federal government agencies with little to no oversight. Even though if you read the act it presents a system by which there is Congressional oversight.....that system is set up so that agency administrators can’t possibly wait for the extended deadlines for reporting before they decide to sweep up “about” information. The question becomes, has Congress done this on purpose? Well, McConnell defeated attempts to put restrictions on domestic surveillance so you decide.

    So, people respond...”I have nothing to hide. Who cares.” Which is one dynamic intelligence relies on. Often people make communication which is either misunderstood, left to interpretation or simply changes over time its relevance. Suppose the communication is swept up but there is no intelligence interest for a year. Now that person might have changed opinions and forgotten what they said previously. Imagine being questioned by an FBI agent regarding what you wrote or said back then? Uncomfortable? And it is a felony to lie to the FBI. How you define a lie might be the difference between court involvement and freedom.

    This is all very extreme big brother type thinking which I don’t necessarily espouse. I am just pointing out that it exists and social media is part of it. That’s why it’s both nice that you can hook up with an old flame from high school while sitting in your recliner......and kind of creepy.

    Richard Snowden is an interesting character in the real life drama of government abuse in surveillance.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/u...n-privacy.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
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    Its not common knowledge but the government through agencies like NSA constantly sweeps social media for “about” communications. This is how some domestic surveillance takes place. So yes, in a way, you are being watched.
    Law firms check social media too. Don't expect to win a disability claim if the insurers' attorney finds photos of you running a 5K and partying away ...

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    One of the things I don't like is many of the web searches I make have nothing to do with my "profile" yet data somewhere pegs it as such. I might be looking up a disease that a relative has or a place that a friend is traveling to, etc. Ditto shopping for gifts.

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    Think of all the things that you leave a record of , some of which would be very easy to track. Others would require some doing, but probably not impossible. And people make mistakes and accidentally let some of this info out.

    from a credit card and loyalty cards and checking accounts
    where you shop for groceries and what you buy
    where you get your medical care
    what insurance company you have for health, life, auto, Home etc
    where you eat out
    where you fly to and from
    your hobbies
    where you donate money
    What hotels you prefer
    What church you attend

    from your phone:
    where you are 24/7
    your texts and emails
    your contacts
    your family

    From social media sites and internet providers
    your religious and political preferences
    your gender preferences
    lots of activities and people you associate with
    what activities and hobbies you like
    what searches you perform

    from your TV
    which sports teams you like
    if you are drawn to pornography
    political leanings by what channels you watch
    if there are kids in the house, like if PBS is on during kids programming hours
    what time the TV comes on in the morning and what time it goes off
    if you like comedy, drama, and so on


    it probably would not take very long to figure out if you smoked or drank alcohol, if you were vegan or a carnivore, what diagnoses you have and what medication you take for those
    if you had surgery or medical testing recently
    what size clothing and brand underwear you prefer. What deodorant, shampoo and personal hygiene products you use and what vitamins you take

    if you do anything with a loyalty or credit card, or get email receipts just about everything you do is pretty trackable. Library cards leave a record. Most of our footprints would be pretty boring but we leave them.

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    Nor all library cards leave a record. Many delete it after the item is returned because librarians are very cognizant of this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    Nor all library cards leave a record. Many delete it after the item is returned because librarians are very cognizant of this issue.
    ours does. You can log into your account and see your borrowing history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere View Post
    ours does. You can log into your account and see your borrowing history.
    That is after you turn it on. If you never turn it on these records evaporate in the real time database. They dont grab a history of your checkout they just start keeping a rcord for you from the day you turn it on.

    That is, unless you have fine records and those stay around until fines are paid, then they evaporate. These fine records are kept because users of the Library want to know “why do I owe $.25, what did I return late? “

    there ARE transaction records that exist on backup drives, but speaking very generally, those dont hang around forever.

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    Facebook can be quite invasive, although they're not the worst offenders (*cough* Google *cough*). But no one should for a minute think that not using Facebook keeps their lives private. Amazon customer? They've got you. Use a credit card anywhere? Your purchases and whereabouts relative to them are being tracked and marketed. Loyalty card anywhere? Same thing.

    I'm not saying any of this is good. Just that Facebook, whatever people may feel about it, is not anywhere near the sole bogeyman here. Privacy is a real issue, especially when digital rights fall far behind the rights we have in the "printed" world.
    If Americans expended even a fraction of the energy on civic engagement that we spend on consumer ideology, our democracy would be much healthier. Can you imagine people camping out to vote? -- Charles Roberts, Amherst, Mass., Nov. 25, 2006

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveinMN View Post
    Facebook can be quite invasive, although they're not the worst offenders (*cough* Google *cough*). But no one should for a minute think that not using Facebook keeps their lives private. Amazon customer? They've got you. Use a credit card anywhere? Your purchases and whereabouts relative to them are being tracked and marketed. Loyalty card anywhere? Same thing.

    I'm not saying any of this is good. Just that Facebook, whatever people may feel about it, is not anywhere near the sole bogeyman here. Privacy is a real issue, especially when digital rights fall far behind the rights we have in the "printed" world.
    I do think the common fantasy about disappearing into the mountains in a remote log cabin to be self sufficient is driven by some awareness of how much of us is out there waiting to be exploited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    I do think the common fantasy about disappearing into the mountains in a remote log cabin to be self sufficient is driven by some awareness of how much of us is out there waiting to be exploited.
    Last person I heard of who did that was Ted Kaczynski and that did not work out well for him either.
    If Americans expended even a fraction of the energy on civic engagement that we spend on consumer ideology, our democracy would be much healthier. Can you imagine people camping out to vote? -- Charles Roberts, Amherst, Mass., Nov. 25, 2006

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