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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Congress not providing CDC with money to research guns is a far cry from "banning research". Not everything needs to happen by government fiat.
    Only when you look to Nanny to solve all of your problems, a sad place to be.

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    It seems to me that the CDC is probably not fulfilling its government mandate to promote the public welfare and health when it does not do any research into the causes and contributing factors of gun violence as well as the various factors that could be known and assimilated into a national attempt at curbing gun violence.

    The stripping of several million dollars from the budget of the CDC for this purpose and the failure of the federal government to encourage more than just 18 states to furnish accurate statistics on homicides, suicide and accidental gun deaths is directly related to the influence the NRA and similar lobbyist groups have on politicians who want to keep their job over actually doing something proactive to stop the deaths of Americans by gun violence.

    Its a direct case of having a tool available to address our mass murder and everyday murder problems but leaving it shelved out of political expediency. It basically sucks.

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    I suppose the counter argument might be that a government that was instituted to protect a citizens rights should not fund study's designed to justify the diminishment or cancellation of one or more of those rights.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I suppose the counter argument might be that a government that was instituted to protect a citizens rights should not fund study's designed to justify the diminishment or cancellation of one or more of those rights.
    Wouldn’t that be assuming a nefarious political ideologically driven crusade to use an arm of the government to push an addenda rather than honest research guiding recommendations? Well duh?

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    If we are going to repeal federal and state laws establishing gun free zones.....shouldn’t we provide the teachers with the real tools to take on an attacker? Expecting a teacher to run toward the threat armed with only a concealed carry pistol would ensure he was terribly outgunned. Let’s provide them with a select fire pistol capable of automatic fire and burst fire and access to flash bang grenades to disorient an attacker. Perhaps a ballistic shield in the corner of the room with which he can protect himself and bullet proof blankets for the kids to hide under. That’s a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Wouldn’t that be assuming a nefarious political ideologically driven crusade to use an arm of the government to push an addenda rather than honest research guiding recommendations? Well duh?
    The Dickey Amendment was introduced during the Clinton Administration during an era where President Clinton was quoted saying things like "Only the police should have handguns" and "We can't be fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary citizens". I don't think a nefarious political ideologically driven crusade is much of a stretch.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    The Dickey Amendment was introduced during the Clinton Administration during an era where President Clinton was quoted saying things like "Only the police should have handguns" and "We can't be fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary citizens". I don't think a nefarious political ideologically driven crusade is much of a stretch.
    Its been 17 years since Clinton served his last day as President. Do you think the coast is clear yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Its been 17 years since Clinton served his last day as President. Do you think the coast is clear yet?
    Nope
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Nope
    Ah, now we get to the crux of the problem.....nobody can be trusted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Ah, now we get to the crux of the problem.....nobody can be trusted!
    Sure you can, when anyone tells you they'd like to diminish one or more of your rights, I trust them to follow though by any means at their disposal.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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