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    Would this be a good moment to mention my fine collection of cannon? (Which oddly, are almost completely unregulated...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Would this be a good moment to mention my fine collection of cannon? (Which oddly, are almost completely unregulated...)
    so how did we get to the current hysteria? NRA hysteria that any talk about background checks or raising age to buy guns= they want to abolish the second amendment
    far left= banning certain weapons and so on

    what is the sensible middle ground, or is it all or nothing? How can current laws be enforced if there are laws that are not being enforced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere View Post
    so how did we get to the current hysteria? NRA hysteria that any talk about background checks or raising age to buy guns= they want to abolish the second amendment
    far left= banning certain weapons and so on

    what is the sensible middle ground, or is it all or nothing? How can current laws be enforced if there are laws that are not being enforced?
    Because the well of civil discourse has been poisoned, and it is no longer possible to have a sane discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Because the well of civil discourse has been poisoned, and it is no longer possible to have a sane discussion.
    But normal people like us can do it, even though we have different levels of education, different life experiences and come from all over the place. No one here has said “fake news” or called someone “cadet bone spurs”, “liar” or anything. Most of this lack of civil discourse is driven by the media seizing on every little thing, thentweeter in Chief, social media making mountains out of molehills and the biggest of all Money. NRA gave $50,000,000 to elect it’s preferred candidates. How did we let this happen. Do our politicians really represent us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere View Post
    Do our politicians really represent us?
    Sadly, yes.

    While it may be more comfortable to blame politicians as a class, or one in particular for our present situation, I think we need to face the reality of who sent them there.

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    Isabelle Robinson, a senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School wrote an Op-ed for the New York Times 3/27/2018.

    She has seen comments to the effect that if students had befriended and loved Cruz, maybe he would not have been so shamed, enraged and violent. She rejects the idea.

    Five years before the shooting incident, Nikolas Cruz threw an apple at her in the school cafeteria, hitting her in the back. This is one example of his history of rage and violence in the school which she personally witnessed.

    In Robinson's opinion, It is the responsibility of the school administration and guidance department to seek out those students (who have demonstrated aggressive, unpredictable or violent tendencies) and get them the help that they need, even if it is extremely specialized attention that cannot be provided at the same institution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Sadly, yes.

    While it may be more comfortable to blame politicians as a class, or one in particular for our present situation, I think we need to face the reality of who sent them there.
    Considering that in a survey last october 96% of people say they favor background checks for all purchases, 75% a 30 day waiting period and 70% that all privately-owned guns be registered I question whether politicians actually do represent us.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Considering that in a survey last october 96% of people say they favor background checks for all purchases, 75% a 30 day waiting period and 70% that all privately-owned guns be registered I question whether politicians actually do represent us.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
    But most of us don't vote based on single issues as measured by polls taken six months ago. For the most part, we vote out of habit or identification with a particular party or candidate. Sometimes, as with Trump, some of vote us out of spite. Some vote to "shake things up" out of pure boredom.

    You can blame Fox News or the Russians or "the Rich" or hypocritical Christians or racists or patriarchs or lefty snowflakes or poor parenting or rampant political correctness fascism or omnipotent Big Data sorcery, but in the end each of us is free to vote his choice (or neglect voting at all) as he sees fit.

    If we are brought to a choice of two types of liar, if our clowns become pundits and our pundits clowns, if we decide the people who disagree with us are idiots and liars, than the real fault lies with our own ignorance and neglect, not some designated scapegoat.

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    If a sungle puppy dying in an overhead bin of an airplane can stir congress to rapid action but dozens of dead children can’t, despite overwhelong support for a commonsense reform it seems pretty clear that the problem isnt that vioters don't care. It seems much more likely that the gun lobby has more power to thwart congress from carrying out the people’s wishes than the ‘i like dead puppies on planes’ lobby.

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    The phrase “common sense reform” is full of nonsense.

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