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    I would prefer that we handle it like Australia and other civilized countries do. We can prevent more kids from dying if we have the courage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    I would prefer that we handle it like Australia and other civilized countries do. We can prevent more kids from dying if we have the courage.
    Australia first introduced gun controls in order to limit their availability to the criminal classes imported from England, the Aborigines and poachers, while strengthening the government's monopoly on violence, and of course excluding the gentry. All proper statists seem to love the concept.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    England and other european countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    England and other european countries?
    Same principles, all going back hundreds of years. The United States was the first country to, in theory, break the trend of complete government control over the masses. Of course this was highly selective even here as it was soon decided that certain classes such as Native and African Americans could not legally own the means of protecting themselves.
    What's interesting to me is to see how some things never change, and the sheer volume of people who do not see the parallels.
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    In a murderous time
    the heart breaks and breaks
    and lives by breaking.
    It is necessary to let go
    through dark and deeper dark
    and not to turn.

    -- Stanley Kunitz (1905-2006)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammy View Post
    It would be a handgun against a tank. Who are we kidding.
    Might be a bit different...

    "And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

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    History records that didn't work so well for the inhabitants of the Warsaw ghetto--it just forestalled the inevitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    History records that didn't work so well for the inhabitants of the Warsaw ghetto--it just forestalled the inevitable.
    Given the choice of dying as part of an organized resistance or as a helpless slave at Treblinka, I think they made the right choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    History records that didn't work so well for the inhabitants of the Warsaw ghetto--it just forestalled the inevitable.
    Dying is inevitable under any circumstances. Isn’t fighting back, however long the odds, preferable to passive submission? What would you have done in that situation? Convene a restorative justice commission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Dying is inevitable under any circumstances. Isn’t fighting back, however long the odds, preferable to passive submission? What would you have done in that situation? Convene a restorative justice commission?
    I suppose dying quickly is preferable to long miserable death by forced labor and starvation.

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