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    Quote Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff View Post
    Innocent? In how many of these school shooting cases, were targets, ones that had bullied the shooter? (I think they bear some responsibility as well, as the shooter)

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    Seriously? Youíre blaming the victims? Unreal.

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    Blaming innocents is disgusting. I bet those first grade kids that were massacred deserved it to with that type of reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    Blaming innocents is disgusting. I bet those first grade kids that were massacred deserved it to with that type of reasoning.
    Your failing reading comprehension. First grade kids didn't bully adult shooters and is a different issue then situations like Columbine where high school age kids were shot by a fellow high schooler who had been bullied. That isn't the same issue either as an earlier one where a shooter opened fire, out of boredom and not liking the day.
    I probably should have realized as emotional as you all are acting, you couldn't get it.

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    So please tell us Alan, Toomuchstuff or anybody what is the solution? Please somebody come up with something.

    How could we prevent the 30 school shootings this year? How can we prevent more?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._United_States

    who will pay for the armed teachers, perimeter security, and metal detectors that some have suggested? Our students already rank in the middle of the world pack as far as school rankings go in developed countries. Diverting funds that might possibly pay for math and reading teachers, updated textbooks etc?
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...-math-science/

    what laws currently on the books are not being enforced as some have mentioned?

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    Irreconcilable arguements seem to have a few trademarks. Both sides are partially right, both sides are partially wrong and neither is willing to compromise based on distrust of the other. Separation and inward reflection is the only thing that will result in meaningful steps toward a solution, temporary or otherwise.

    School shootings could be reduced. We are a civilized society capable of applying workable plans to make things better for ourselves. Or are we? Adding “friction” to reduce crime is what all laws are really about. They aren’t intended or designed to eliminate the commission of crime by all facets of society. So anything that reduces the opportunity for a young person to solve his problems with a semiautomatic firearm....is a workable solution.

    But the gun is only one ingredient. Alone, it poses no risk. Add mental illness or lack of a nurturing home environment and you have an ugly cocktail. A well educated child possessing common morals and ethics can withstand bullying and verbal abuse without resorting to mass murder.

    Compromise seems to be a word not very well respected by either side. The only way to make any progress here is not with more comparisons, statistics, anecdotes or accusations of intentions. It’s about looking inward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post

    But the gun is only one ingredient. Alone, it poses no risk. Add mental illness or lack of a nurturing home environment and you have an ugly cocktail. A well educated child possessing common morals and ethics can withstand bullying and verbal abuse without resorting to mass murder.
    How are mental health issues and lack of nurturing environments solved?

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    Many comments have been made in this discussion thread about the concept of permitting armed teachers (with firearm training) to increase security in schools.

    Florida is about to put a law on the books that will accomplish this Ö in the state where the Parkland shooting incident occurred.

    The Florida house passed a bill 65-47, following passage in the Florida senate. Next, the bill goes to Governor Ron DeSantis, who is expected to sign it into law.

    Polling indicated that most Floridians opposed the arming of teachers.

    The law will enable individual school boards to opt out. Several boards have already stated that they will opt out, if the bill becomes law.

    In the wake of the Parkland shootings, a wide range of measures were taken to harden schools as potential targets for gun violence, including the addition of at least one armed guard in each school. Florida's Armed Guardian program provided for 132 hours of training (a "refresher" because all participants were to have recent experience in the military or law enforcement). Armed Guardians were an alternative to, as well as an addition to sworn law enforcement officers assigned to school security duties.

    The Florida bill allows for teachers to be armed in schools, if they complete the Armed Guardian program.

    I don't know how it would be possible to evaluate the number of mass shootings that were deterred or prevented by armed guards. There have been some incidents where firearms were accidentally discharged by guards in schools (which may be a reflection on the effectiveness of their training). Also there have been incidents in which a guard accidentally discharged a firearm while subduing a student regarded as a threat.

    There have been no incidents I am aware of in which a lawfully armed teacher opened fire on students or other faculty. However, it may be that teachers are not immune from becoming uncontrollably angry, even to the point of violence. According to the Wikipedia entry "Going Postal" : between 1986 and 2011, workplace shootings happened at a rate of 2 per year in the US, with an average of 12 people killed per year.

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    Wasn't Parkland the school where the armed "sheepdog" sat on his thumbs while kids were being slaughtered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    Wasn't Parkland the school where the armed "sheepdog" sat on his thumbs while kids were being slaughtered?
    Yes, he didn't have what it takes to put the welfare of others ahead of his own, and now he has to live with that. That's an all-too-common consequence of forcing people to rely on governmental protection while denying them the ability to effectively protect themselves. A true sheepdog knows up front they couldn't live with the consequences of inaction. You see examples of them in every incident such as this whether it's a teacher giving up their life while trying to shield a student under their charge or a student dying while fighting back against uneven odds.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    It's mind boggling that teachers will be expected to take up the slack when supposed trained professionals drop the ball. But they likely will have more of a vested interest in protecting their students.

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