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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
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    This is incomplete, missing two or three. (Courtesy of NBC)
    WOW.... over 50!!!!

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    It's been quite a week.

    We have a president who communicates with his cabinet via tweet.

    We have Mrs. Clinton, bitterly clinging to the limelight, delivering a speech where she adds women who didn't vote for her due to "a sort of ongoing pressure to vote the way your husband, your boss, your son, whoever believes you should" to her list of persecutors.

    We have convicted traitor and senate candidate Chelsea Manning lecturing the tech industry on the need for ethics.

    My digestion is beginning to suffer.

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    Wait, ChelseaManning is runni g for Senate? That is ridiculous.

    I guess I am doing well in staying away from widespread news broadcasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Wait, ChelseaManning is runni g for Senate? That is ridiculous.

    I guess I am doing well in staying away from widespread news broadcasts.
    Manning actually has a good chance of being elected. She meets all the qualifications.....30 years old at least, US citizen and a resident of Maryland. She’s running anti-establishment (duh!) in a liberal district, at a time when it seems like voters have enjoyed making a mockery out of a political system that is......well...a mockery.

    And dont forget......we all have that latent bisexuality. Combine the real progressives with the neoliberal fence sitters and she might be the first transsexual and convicted spy to take a seat. Worth the price of admission.

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    The NBC list I provided is up to three columns now. Seven more people resigned or were fired yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Manning actually has a good chance of being elected. She meets all the qualifications.....30 years old at least, US citizen and a resident of Maryland. She’s running anti-establishment (duh!) in a liberal district, at a time when it seems like voters have enjoyed making a mockery out of a political system that is......well...a mockery.

    And dont forget......we all have that latent bisexuality. Combine the real progressives with the neoliberal fence sitters and she might be the first transsexual and convicted spy to take a seat. Worth the price of admission.
    I'm not clear on the difference between a "real progressive" and a "neoliberal", but surely betraying your country and your oath and exposing your countrymen to risk should count for something even to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I'm not clear on the difference between a "real progressive" and a "neoliberal", but surely betraying your country and your oath and exposing your countrymen to risk should count for something even to them.
    On the contrary , exposing the surveillance state for what it is and taking on the military industrial complex makes her a hero.........to a real progressive. A neoliberal...embraces the establishment, the military and espouses social justice programming simply to maintain power. These are some of the differences I’ve observed. Progressives are the real left politically. Neoliberals are leftist imposters who want to be copartners with conservatives but don’t want to publicly acknowledge it. In essence, the balance of power shifts from conservatism to neoliberalism without either acting on their mandates or consolidation of power. It is the aggregate membership of the “swamp”. Clinton is largely a neoliberal. Sanders is the most popular progressive. Progressives are outside looking in on both parties and waiting for an opportunity to fundamentally change the direction of the United States and I think they may get their chance next election cycle. At least how I term things. Professors of political science may vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    On the contrary , exposing the surveillance state for what it is and taking on the military industrial complex makes her a hero.........to a real progressive. A neoliberal...embraces the establishment, the military and espouses social justice programming simply to maintain power. These are some of the differences I’ve observed. Progressives are the real left politically. Neoliberals are leftist imposters who want to be copartners with conservatives but don’t want to publicly acknowledge it. In essence, the balance of power shifts from conservatism to neoliberalism without either acting on their mandates or consolidation of power. It is the aggregate membership of the “swamp”. Clinton is largely a neoliberal. Sanders is the most popular progressive. Progressives are outside looking in on both parties and waiting for an opportunity to fundamentally change the direction of the United States and I think they may get their chance next election cycle. At least how I term things. Professors of political science may vary.
    I would find Manning to be a more heroic figure if there had been no oaths broken and a bit more discretion used than simply broadcasting everything pilferable.

    In actual practice, a real progressive would seem to be a neoliberal without the power.

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    I would define Obama as a neoliberal. As an example, Obamacare was a sellout to big pharma....that’s what a progressive would say. A progressive has no problem with socialism. A neoliberal hates it almost as much as a neocon. A neoliberal loves being characterized as a socialist because it gives him street cred with the progressives and gets them to abandon their vote for let’s say a Jill Stein and vote for a hawk like Clinton. The more I look at it...the deeper the divide. A progressive hates on Democrats as much as they do on Republicans. Well, almost as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I'm not clear on the difference between a "real progressive" and a "neoliberal", but surely betraying your country and your oath and exposing your countrymen to risk should count for something even to them.
    Sounds like an apt description of the regime in power now.

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