I agree with Jane and CL that let the customers decide what is acceptable or not.
I agree with Jane and CL that let the customers decide what is acceptable or not.
Conscience can be a wonderful thing if it's used. If more people in power used their conscience, thousands of innocent refugee children wouldn't be languishing in prisons because their parents were desperate for a safe haven. A smug, self-righteous baker looks like small potatoes by comparison.
So if they object to interracial marriage should the baker be able to refuse to make a cake? Or if a muslim straight couple wanted a wedding cake should they be able to refuse?
And what if the gay couple didnt want the cake to he notably ‘gay’ in anyway. Just a generic wedding cake?
Or what if a Muslim baker refused to decorate a cake with an image of Mohammed due to his/her religions ban on his image? Or, what if a Christian baker refused to cater a wedding party for a polygamist family celebrating their latest 15 year old sister wife's induction to the harem?
I think that was answered in the suit. It wasn't the cake that was refused, it was the decoration.And what if the gay couple didnt want the cake to he notably ‘gay’ in anyway. Just a generic wedding cake?
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
I don't know, I kinda look forward to a world where clerks working at a grocery store have that much say in their job duties (even if the clerks are as depicted). I don't think there are any laws protecting the clerks employment (from firing) in such a case though. Maybe it needs to go before the Supreme Court! Freedom of conscience is at stake! At stake I tell you! Until the Mormon who refuses to check out the Coke buyer's job is protected!A friend just sent me cartoon that applies--it has a checkout clerk refusing to sell you condoms, referring you to another clerk, but they're Muslim and can't check out your ham, but you could try another clerk who can't sell you Coke because they're Mormon...Another clerk is a Jehovah's witness and won't sell you a birthday card...It suggests you try the LGBT guy on register 4 who isn't hiding behind his religion. Hyperbole, but it makes the point.
As it is currently freedom of conscience is just another word for abuse of power (although if it was narrowly limited to non-monopoly non-incorporated tiny businesses, that power is pretty limited and so fairly benign). Corporations can't have consciences anyway and Woolworths was not a small business.
Last edited by ApatheticNoMore; 6-6-18 at 1:34pm.
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I remember when American values said that blacks weren't as good as whites so they shouldn't sit in certain areas in diners and on public transportation. I remember when American values said that a woman working was taking away a good job from a man. I remember when American values said that people should be free to beat their wives, Lynch their slaves, deny the handicapped access to buildings, and give students in the most affluent neighborhoods the best resources in a public education system (well, that's still going on).
"Values" and "conscience" are loaded words that have been used to justify laws and practices the promote hatred, bigotry, and as ANM rightly said, abuse of power.
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