Generally speaking and without knowing a whole lot of detail, I like the coupling of desire for citizenship and public welfare. There are devils in the details.
One of the big welfare reforms of 1996, one that President Clinton signed onto (although did not spearhead) was the citizen backed reform to stop and/or limit welfare programs going to immigrants of many stripes. We The People were on board for that.
I wasn't sure what "hive mind" means so I looked it up online. Interesting. I see this concept as both a good and a bad thing. In the case of say Nazi Germany the "hive mind" was a deadly thing for the many perished - in the case of Western Europe after the WW2 the 'hive mind" has been a blessing as it has meant access to social welfare for all and a better quality of life than we can hope for in America (unless one is wealthy, I'll grant that much here and now).Originally Posted by LDAHL
My point is that a hive mind mentality is not necessarily a bad thing - though I'd agree it can be. In this case it's a blessing as it draws neighbors closer and were it not for this hive mind, given that I am Caucasian, I doubt I could have bonded with so many of my neighbors so well. The hive mind - for me - overall has worked well. Though I will admit I can think of instances when it has not, such as when I was in school, or in lower end restaurants where I once served. Rob
Where I live it's amazingly easy - most people are liberals, most people are Democrats, most people are going to agree on most issues. I don't have to worry about discussing politics until such a time as I leave the neighborhood.
I will admit this much, however. It's very easy for me to get on Bus #70 and get off this bus line in an area society would consider much nicer than the one I live in. In this area I would not discuss politics any more than I would in the workplace in my role as a lower end supervisor. There in that "better" area I would not enjoy the safety of most people seeing things in the same way that I enjoy in the 85006. Rob
It's really that hard for you as someone who believes in America to visualize a lower income area in which neighbors are mostly going to both bond and agree with one another politically? Interesting. The city looks down on my neighborhood as does society given that it is lower income, but yet this area has some Norman Rockwell Community type moments going on and as someone who supports America, you can't visualize this? Interesting. This explains a lot. Rob
Do your Norman Rockwell moments include free banquet food for everyone or do people have to pay......like in a capitalist society?
We have community events from time to time with free food but not really a banquet setting, more like a bunch of neighbors getting together or like a block party setting. Such as the block party planned but yet to materialize should Trump be impeached or not finish his term for any reason.
These events are in a true collective spirit in that everyone contributes something and the end result is a great meal and a great event for most participants. So to answer your question, there is some capitalism going on in that everyone is expected to contribute, and some socialism going on in that everyone is expected to enjoy the end result and dig in to the collective meal. Rob
I can easily visualize a community of like minded individuals, I just have trouble visualizing an entire zip code agreeing on whatever your hot topic of the day may be. I suspect there's a lot more diversity of thought in the 85006 than you give it credit for although I'm willing to concede many residents may be reluctant to make themselves subject to being reported on the community phone tree. Assimilation in the hive mind is easier than independent thought.
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
Well the thing is you can be of the same economic class as someone and differ in politics. My DH and a really good friend of mine come to mind. When my DIL got a green card to come to the states my son had to sign a paper that he would support her for 10 years because she couldn’t get any type of public aide. I think even if they divorced before the 10 years this would be the case.
What boggle my mind is that I used to live in the 85006 from 2010-2012. Rob's 85006 is very different than the one I remember.
My main cross streets are McDowell Road and State Route 51, if that gives you an idea of where I live in the 85006. I do know that the Coronado neighborhood in the 85006 is getting very spendy and new people with money that don't really fit well into the area are moving in but I don't live in the Coronado neighborhood - I live in Pura 85006 - the words of one of my neighbors. Rob
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