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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    You don't get around much, do you?
    Are you asking about my love life?

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you assert that certain drugs expand the human mind I would like to see the proof of this. So please share the evidence or clarify that you were merely stating an uninformed opinion. Thanks.

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    I don't doubt that certain drugs may change the mind and sometimes in a good way, but then there is always the odd person that has a complete psychotic break after use and is never the same again ... in a bad way. Yes I'm talking psychedelics there. So I'm not sure safe usage is 100% worked out.

    Slow suicide can be as rational as suicide and suicide can be rational. But it's never just suicide with drug usage - opiates can relieve (mental) pain so that's probably the primary goal and suicide only a secondary goal (or maybe just something one is indifferent to). Well sometimes there is physical pain involved too and opiates also create their own phantom physical pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultralight View Post
    Are you asking about my love life?

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you assert that certain drugs expand the human mind I would like to see the proof of this. So please share the evidence or clarify that you were merely stating an uninformed opinion. Thanks.
    This isn't a term paper: I don't need to provide footnotes.

    When I run across conflicting information, I go to a search engine. I suggest you do the same--far keener minds than mine have made the same assertion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    This isn't a term paper: I don't need to provide footnotes.

    When I run across conflicting information, I go to a search engine. I suggest you do the same--far keener minds than mine have made the same assertion.
    Okay, no problem. But when you make extraordinary claims without evidence I will point out that you have presented no evidence and that your case is flimsy or non-existent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    I don't doubt that certain drugs may change the mind and sometimes in a good way, but then there is always the odd person that has a complete psychotic break after use and is never the same again ... in a bad way. Yes I'm talking psychedelics there. So I'm not sure safe usage is 100% worked out.
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    And because the government has deemed them Schedule One, there's not likely to be. Pity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultralight View Post
    Okay, no problem. But when you make extraordinary claims without evidence I will point out that you have presented no evidence and that your case is flimsy or non-existent.
    I didn't present a case. This is not a debate. And I made no "extraordinary" claims, which you could have confirmed in about 60 seconds by doing a quick Google search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultralight View Post
    I am sorry to hear that. About what year did this happen?
    I dated him in the early 90's for a few years. His death was about 5 years ago.

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    Have you heard of "bug chasers" or "the gift?"
    Of course. And I totally don't get it. Especially now that it's a reasonably easy disease to treat, or even better, prevent.

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    A question that's been rolling around in my mind lately is why are there so many "broken" people in this country today. Way more than I ever recall growing up in the 50s-60s. Maybe there are just more people period or maybe they were neatly tucked away in institutions or with family where they were not seen back in those days. It really bothers me when I see homeless people multiplying in every city and so many are addicts too. I think in many cases opioid/alcohol addiction is indeed a slow suicide for people who don't have whatever it is that one needs to thrive or even just exist in our culture. I have very distinct memories as a teen of watching my father sit at the dining table and drink vodka until he passed out. Later, I read in his diaries that he was using narcotics as a young doctor long before his alcoholism. If genetic, I should have inherited his tendencies but apparently have not. I do love alcohol but only in moderation.

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    Are there more “broken” people? I have no idea that is true. Nor do
    I know how that would honestly, and accurately, be measured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkytoe View Post
    I think in many cases opioid/alcohol addiction is indeed a slow suicide for people who don't have whatever it is that one needs to thrive
    I have used that thought as comfort actually--that some people just aren't meant to thrive. This isn't a criticism.. it's as much to say that some plants are planted the same way at the same time and some will grow and thrive and others will wilt and die. That analogy helps me to accept certain things that are hard to accept.
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