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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    I totally disagree that law enforcement needs to be involved for someone here illegally. I would not turn someone in.
    For anyone here illegally, or just the ones you sympathize with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Forgery and fraud arenít misdemeanors. Living and working illegally in this country for extended periods would usually require some of both.

    I donít remember railing against illegal immigration. Iím against a lot of things I donít rail about. Nor can I recall approving the other crimes you mention. For the record, Iím against breaking those laws too.
    A robust guest-worker plan would take care of all those things. Someone is hiring these workers, we are benefiting from their labor. They should be fairly compensated and pay any taxes that accrue, and be able to live freely and openly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    A robust guest-worker plan would take care of all those things. Someone is hiring these workers, we are benefiting from their labor. They should be fairly compensated and pay any taxes that accrue, and be able to live freely and openly.
    What kimds of welfare programs should they and their kin be eligible for?

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    IL, illegals do not qualify for any welfare programs and never have. L, I wouldn’t turn in anyone here illegally period. I don’t need to know their story or approve of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    IL, illegals do not qualify for any welfare programs and never have. L, I wouldn’t turn in anyone here illegally period. I don’t need to know their story or approve of them.
    Jane is talking about expanding guest workers.

    My question was to her. Guest workers are not illegals.

    To your point, you know that education dollars, health care dollars, and other dollars go to illegals. You dont wish to call those “welfare” programs and I would agree that those dollars are not normally considered part of the welfare pie when we talk about it. But. They are taxpayer dollars supporting the illegal and his kin.

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    If we had a robust guest worker program where the workers could easily travel back and forth from their home country weíd probably have less undocumented kids here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    To your point, you know that education dollars, health care dollars, and other dollars go to illegals. You dont wish to call those “welfare” programs and I would agree that those dollars are not normally considered part of the welfare pie when we talk about it. But. They are taxpayer dollars supporting the illegal and his kin.
    To your point, at least in this sometimes-frozen burg, undocumented people are not given health care dollars or other forms of "welfare" by county or state entities. If they are found receiving such funds, they are committing fraud and are treated accordingly in the legal system. Like poor U.S citizens, when undocumented residents get medical treatment or schooling but cannot pay for it or when they patronize food shelves, they do incur costs which all of us pay for. But let's get rid of the false right-wing talking point that "illlegals are getting all kinds of welfare". I don't know what they do in Missouri, but here in Minnesota they do not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveinMN View Post
    To your point, at least in this sometimes-frozen burg, undocumented people are not given health care dollars or other forms of "welfare" by county or state entities. If they are found receiving such funds, they are committing fraud and are treated accordingly in the legal system. Like poor U.S citizens, when undocumented residents get medical treatment or schooling but cannot pay for it or when they patronize food shelves, they do incur costs which all of us pay for. But let's get rid of the false right-wing talking point that "illlegals are getting all kinds of welfare". I don't know what they do in Missouri, but here in Minnesota they do not.
    From the National Immigration Law Center https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic...igfedprograms/

    The law includes important exceptions for certain types of services. Regardless of their status, not-qualified immigrants are eligible for emergency Medicaid if they are otherwise eligible for their state’s Medicaid program. The law does not restrict access to public health programs that provide immunizations and/or treatment of communicable disease symptoms (whether or not those symptoms are caused by such a disease). School breakfast and lunch programs remain open to all children regardless of immigration status, and every state has opted to provide access to the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC).Short-term noncash emergency disaster assistance remains available without regard to immigration status. Also exempted from the restrictions are other in-kind services necessary to protect life or safety, as long as no individual or household income qualification is required. In 2001, the U.S. attorney general published a final order specifying the types of benefits that meet these criteria. The attorney general’s list includes child and adult protective services; programs addressing weather emergencies and homelessness; shelters, soup kitchens, and meals-on-wheels; medical, public health, and mental health services necessary to protect life or safety; disability or substance abuse services necessary to protect life or safety; and programs to protect the life or safety of workers, children and youths, or community residents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    Marriage is important if people are going to have children.
    I respectfully disagree with this. The fact is, it simply takes an egg and sperm to "have children" - no marriage, documentation or committment needed. A woman AND a man having sex risk creating a child regardless of any other circumstances. Marriage, on the other hand, is a commitment between TWO people - children have nothing to do with it. If two individuals are committed to each other and move forward in a life together (for however long!) - well, good for them. Whether they get a document/contract/piece of paper to confirm that commitment or not is up to them, but I believe it is the commitment itself that is what is needed. Children may be the result of marriage or a committed relationship, but I don't believe they should be the basis of either - the foundation should begin with the two individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    What kimds of welfare programs should they and their kin be eligible for?
    I imagine that would be worked out along the lines of how we provide (or don't) services for workers with H1B visas.

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