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    The job market I don't know it's hard to say entirely what is oneself and skillset (although frankly my work record reads quite decent IMO, however skills might not be that much demanded shrug, of they may be oversupplied), what is location (I don't even know if other locations are better), what is the job market in general these days, what is just random bad luck (fooled by randomness style). But I suspect the economy is not really what we are being told it is for sure!

    But getting a professional job? There is a ton of temp and contract work, with very few permanent hires.
    I was in a group for unemployed people seeking professional jobs. There was struggle for sure. And frankly struggle for people with what I would think were great credentials (I would think for sure I'd get hired if I had those credentials - but ...).

    So one thing I actually can say FOR SURE is having a real struggle finding professional jobs was NOT JUST ME. Some landed, but I'm not the only one contracting, some took temp work, some are still looking. The person working at the local unemployment office said it's taking people 6 months to a year to get a job these days (and unemployment only lasts 6 months, yea a lot of people in a world of hurt - anyone who tells you you only need 3-6 months saved for unemployment is blowing smoke up your @#$). The job market for professional skills may be broken, really and truly. Meanwhile low paid jobs don't pay enough to live off of.

    What it was like for me was employers were almost expecting something magical, they weren't even looking for skillsets and decent experience, they were almost looking for life paths, someone who had done a lot of things that were exactly what they were looking for that are seldom even found together. I got interviews when I hit magic buttons like this. It was completely an employers market where the standard seemed to be perfection and employers were almost like people going on dates rejecting everything (no second dates) until love at first sight was found.

    I lack the words to describe the crazy, at a certain level of crazy I think all one can do is walk away, try another career, something. Not that there were many options there (there didn't seem to be any I could access almost), but trying to make sense of the crazy just became crazy itself.
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    Just before the last recession, I was laid off when an exec from a famous company came in, purged, and brought her own team in. I decided to try self employment for a while in a totally different field but found I'm not good at marketing myself, so went back to look for a job in software development. I had been in software testing most of my career, but wanted to do project management. I looked hard for 2 1/2 years. This is with having an engineering BS and an MBA and several certifications. I worked for an entrepreneur for free for a few months just to have something recent on the resume. I finally landed a position, at a significant $ reduction ( though to be fair my last jobs were management, and this one was not). The job is ok, not great, but better than being unemployed. Something has fundamentally changed in the workplace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    What it was like for me was employers were almost expecting something magical, they weren't even looking for skillsets and decent experience, they were almost looking for life paths, someone who had done a lot of things that were exactly what they were looking for that are seldom even found together. I got interviews when I hit magic buttons like this. It was completely an employers market where the standard seemed to be perfection and employers were almost like people going on dates rejecting everything (no second dates) until love at first sight was found.
    I think it is that way all over now. Even six years ago in my Corporate Day Job, job openings were aimed at unicorns, ideal candidates who almost could not possibly have all the quailfications desired. I've seen ads from clueless recruiters looking for ten years' experience in development languages that haven't even been around ten years. Some of the specification comes about when the hiring manager really wants someone internal but the rules force him/her to advertise openly for candidates. Voila -- no one on the outside is qualified, so (s)he can hire who (s)he really wanted in the first place. But some of it is that there doesn't seem to be room for people to grow into jobs anymore. You hit the ground running -- or you get run over.

    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    I lack the words to describe the crazy, at a certain level of crazy I think all one can do is walk away, try another career, something. Not that there were many options there (there didn't seem to be any I could access almost), but trying to make sense of the crazy just became crazy itself.
    I hold no illusions, that, six years out of what I was last doing in IT (and now pushing 60) I'd get a job in IT again, unless I was willing to go way down the ladder and, even then, I'd likely be considered either overqualified or too old. Not sure my ego needs that much of a bruising.

    I recently received a LinkedIn invitation (from someone I didn't know) so to stop the "nag" I logged into LinkedIn for the first time in several months. I see very little movement among my connections. I'm not sure if they're finding LI as "useful" as I am and just not noting their own new jobs or if there simply aren't moves to be made. Based on conversations I have had with former coworkers (a much smaller sample), no one seems to be moving around much at all (many of them are just hanging on until they can retire and hoping not to get bought out). So, yeah, landing career-type full-time employment seems problematic. Less than that? Maybe not doing so well, either.
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    ANM, I hope the contract job works out OK. Sounds like a rough commute, but often a "foot in the door" works out more long-term in one way or the other. My career in market research started out as a temp job in word processing in a market research company, which I very reluctantly took.

    I hope it works out for you.
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    And let's not forget that all this temp and contract and part-time work has no benefits attached. No paid sick days, no paid vacation, no paid holidays, no health insurance, no pension or 401(k).

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    And let's not forget that all this temp and contract and part-time work has no benefits attached. No paid sick days, no paid vacation, no paid holidays, no health insurance, no pension or 401(k)
    this is largely true, however California passed a law recently requiring all employees even contractors get sick days in this state, only about 3 a year though is required. I think some other states like NY have been passing sick time too.
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