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    Quote Originally Posted by CathyA View Post
    What I can't understand at all, is that our laws don't allow us to remove a president who encourages violence against the country's own people.
    The law does provide for removal. The instructions are pretty clear. It just takes other elected officials doing their duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    What does the rate of hate crimes look like?

    People are claiming "this is a dark time", and "there are lots more XXX things happening".

    So there should be data. And looking at the data, one might be able to tease out some cause-effect relationships.

    Which might be more useful than going with the sound bite of the day.
    You're free to look up statistics. I had no trouble finding sources.
    "Sound bite of the day?" Save your sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    You're free to look up statistics.
    Indeed. However, I was not the one making the original claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Indeed. However, I was not the one making the original claims.
    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

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    FBI data here in links:
    http://theconversation.com/new-data-shows-us-hate-crimes-continued-to-rise-in-2017-97989


    https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016

    Just today one of my FB friends declared (I don't know where she got her info) that "there have always been these massacres; we just hear more about them now."
    My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what I start. So far today, I have finished two bags of M&Ms and a chocolate cake. I feel better already!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    “We are the Trump vanguard. The left will say Trump is a nationalist and an implicit or quasi-racialist. Conservatives, because they are just so douchey, say Oh, no, of course not, he’s a constitutionalist, or whatever. We on the alt-right will say, He is a nationalist and he is a racialist. His movement is a white movement. Duh.” Looking very satisfied with himself, (Richard)Spencer paused and then said: “We give him a kind of permission.” --from Fire and Fury, by Michael Wolff


    Violent "racialists" have been given permission--out of the mouth of a White House insider.

    Don't give me that crap about "both sides do it." No president in my long memory has ever publicly avowed being a nationalist (Nazi)--never mind attacking the free press non-stop. "Fine people on both sides?" Bullshit. This is a replay of thirties' Germany. The world is watching in horror.
    Let me say this. I do not support Trump. I did not vote for him. I am a lifelong liberal.

    I also think is it worthwhile to have solid claims.

    Okay, so Richard Spencer said that. Do you really think that Trump is a racialist? And to what degree? Remember, Trump's daughter is a Jew. Trump's SIL is a Jew. Ben Carson, a black dude, is on Trump's cabinet. Trump hardly sounds like a full-on milk drinker to me.

    Being a nationalist does not make someone a Nazi. Be real here, Jane. There are black nationalists all over the world, and unless the Nazis changed their rules, blacks can't be nazis. A Paraguayan can be a nationalist. So can a Canadian. Nationalism is an extreme form of patriotism, a feeling of superiority over other countries.

    For the record, I am not a nationalist and I do not support that philosophy. I am a planetary citizen and I prefer a cosmopolitan philosophy.

    1930s Germany? We are a looooooong as way from there. We are about to have a midterm election and can change things with that alone.

    Your fever-pitch outrage and leftist mania is not going to help the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CathyA View Post
    You tell me, and then we'll talk about those things, compared to slaughters of innocent people.
    From the CDC, top causes of death in the USA in order.


    • Heart disease: 635,260
    • Cancer: 598,038
    • Accidents (unintentional injuries): 161,374
    • Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 154,596
    • Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 142,142
    • Alzheimer’s disease: 116,103
    • Diabetes: 80,058
    • Influenza and pneumonia: 51,537
    • Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,046
    • Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,965

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultralight View Post
    From the CDC, top causes of death in the USA in order.


    • Heart disease: 635,260
    • Cancer: 598,038
    • Accidents (unintentional injuries): 161,374
    • Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 154,596
    • Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 142,142
    • Alzheimer’s disease: 116,103
    • Diabetes: 80,058
    • Influenza and pneumonia: 51,537
    • Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,046
    • Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,965
    So? What's your point?

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