For the record, I was not saying that Stoicism is anti-anyone. I was saying that I have seen some very unpleasant misogynist posters later rhapsodizing about their forays into Stoicism.
I was discussing the original question, is Stoicism undergoing some boost in popularity lately.
My mom was both a Stoic and a feminist, so there is no conflict that I can see.
Stoicism is at the core of my nature, I think, and I've been a feminist since I knew what the word meant.
I don't pay much attention to crackpot theories about it; I'm just not much for histrionics.
And I haven't studied philosophy, but oldhat's definition fits me pretty well.
I just always think "My father lived through slogging through the jungles of New Guinea, dodging bullets, with jungle rot in his leg. I can survive this."
My point was that stoicism offers little by way of tools to understand or address a demand for loyalty based on an arbitrary group identity. As far as the obligatory Trump condemnation, I would guess that a First Century Stoic would regard both the President and many of his detractors as the tragic result of an unexamined life.
And BBC has a perfect short video explaining it all. Talk about good timing!
https://www.bbc.com/reel/playlist/ho...?vpid=p06wzkb4
As Cicero said, “Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all the others.”
Condemning Trump isn't an obligation; it's a pleasure .
I will concede, however, that Trump is probably a poor example to use in this discussion. Insofar as Stoicism demands an attempt at objective self-examination, Trump is a sociopath who is congenitally incapable of any kind of self-examination.
Your first statement still puzzles me, though. You talk about an "arbitrary group identity" as if that somehow negates the validity of having that viewpoint. For example, I'm a liberal Democrat. My political views are shaped by my belief that certain candidates and political groups best represent my interests and ideals. You may not agree with my reasons, but there's nothing arbitrary about them, even if you don't agree with them.
My point, again, is that I don't think most Stoics would be that concerned with the chain of reasoning I used to reach my beliefs, or you yours. It would have much more to do with how you or I react to misfortune, or how we cope on a daily basis with life's inevitable slings and arrows.
I don't know very much about stoicism really. I do suspect people are using it for things it's probably not really a great fit for, clinical depression, completely untenable life circumstances, etc.. The MRA folks, I didn't know it was big with them, maybe they are just stoic about the inability to convert society to their toxic views . The rest of us are merely grateful for that small blessing.
Trees don't grow on money
Now trump is threatening not to give California anymore fema money. Just when you think he can’t be anymore despicable.
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