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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    So I guess we didn't have an extra two billion to gift to the oligarchs, eh? Let's reverse that blunder at the earliest opportunity.
    I’m fine with that. But it won’t be enough to fund Utopia or replace the internal combustion engine with perpetual motion machines in the near future. You could dispossess every billionaire in the country and confiscate Bernie’s lake house, and it wouldn’t be enough.

    What is being proposed by the current crop of contenders is almost certainly economically, socially and technically impossible. Emancipatory arithmetic and class envy are effective distraction tactics, but the gulf between the promises and the capability to deliver is just (I hope) too wide to escape the notice of even our distracted public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I’m fine with that. But it won’t be enough to fund Utopia or replace the internal combustion engine with perpetual motion machines in the near future. You could dispossess every billionaire in the country and confiscate Bernie’s lake house, and it wouldn’t be enough.

    What is being proposed by the current crop of contenders is almost certainly economically, socially and technically impossible. Emancipatory arithmetic and class envy are effective distraction tactics, but the gulf between the promises and the capability to deliver is just (I hope) too wide to escape the notice of even our distracted public.
    We'll be able to iron out the details before long, I hope. Maybe we should study how other countries green up; I suspect many approaches are revenue-neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    You know we talk about the pros and cons of socialism a lot and I think your post outlines my biggest problem with it. Your line of thought assumes that those two billion didn't belong to the oligarchs to start with, that all income belongs to the commons and we desperately need a just arbiter to dole it out fairly. That's such a crock.
    And eventually you still “run out of other people’s money”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    We'll be able to iron out the details before long, I hope. Maybe we should study how other countries green up; I suspect many approaches are revenue-neutral.
    Revenue neutral just means you raise the same amount of revenue while shifting the burden between different parties. That doesn’t solve the problem of raising federal spending by a multiple or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Revenue neutral just means you raise the same amount of revenue while shifting the burden between different parties. That doesn’t solve the problem of raising federal spending by a multiple or two.
    Instead of wailing that it can't be done, let's find a way--like we found a way to develop a national highway system or go to the moon. It's not like we're a third-rate country full of dimwits incapable of developing solutions. Or are we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    Instead of wailing that it can't be done, let's find a way--like we found a way to develop a national highway system or go to the moon. It's not like we're a third-rate country full of dimwits incapable of developing solutions. Or are we?
    Even the most grandiose plans require some kind of actual plan. They also require some level of confidence in the planners and a consensus that the plan is worth attempting. I don’t think even the Moon Shot had as many black box assumptions as the Green New Deal.

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