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    Who are the proteges? Well Elizabeth Warren has her own base, which is not due to Bernie. Tulsi maybe?

    I don't agree we need new blood, especially as the "new blood" is half the time older than me. Bernie is better than that as he harks back to a more idealistic time, than trust me any Gen Xer does, we're not generally that idealistic a lot, especially as the current crop in politics grew up with tons of money in politics (but if they refuse it, I will note it). Millenials might be different, but they are mostly too young to run (the oldest millenails being like 36 or 37 or something).
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    I would agree that gen x'ers are not likely to be idealistic. I mean, geez, I first became politically aware during Reagan. If that won't kill off one's idealism nothing will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    I would agree that gen x'ers are not likely to be idealistic. I mean, geez, I first became politically aware during Reagan. If that won't kill off one's idealism nothing will.
    I miss Reagan. I miss the way he just laughed off the insults of the ankle-biters of the time. They would call him stupid even as he wiped the floor with them. No angry tweets in response to some SNL skit. Just a cheery “There you go again”. We need more of that in our contemporary politics.

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    Reagan's cheerful spirit and optimism was refreshing, to be sure. I just really didn't like his politics, but nobody's perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Just a cheery “There you go again”. We need more of that in our contemporary politics.
    Don't worry. It still exists.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBeuzWWKrew

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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    BTW, here's a little quiz: "Are You a Democratic Socialist"

    I'm sure you don't need a quiz to answer that question for yourself, but it explains their platform.
    I thought it interesting to see that, according to the quiz, the Democratic Socialists are really big on government regulation of industry and very strong labor unions, that is until they assume control of the means of production, then not so much. I'd never considered that a workers paradise doesn't require oversight, it seems a little Animal Farmish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I thought it interesting to see that, according to the quiz, the Democratic Socialists are really big on government regulation of industry and very strong labor unions, that is until they assume control of the means of production, then not so much. I'd never considered that a workers paradise doesn't require oversight.
    How did you arrive at that? The quiz I took had several discreet questions, the correct answers to which didn't change depending on how one answered any of the other questions. And the quiz stated that democratic socialists prefer worker ownership, strong government regulations, and strong unions. There wasn't any mention of differing opinions for the later two depending on who owned the corporations.

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    Totally agree Jp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    How did you arrive at that?
    Just paying attention to the qualifiers.


    They believe that as long as private corporations exist....the government should regulate them in order to, in their view, mitigate the harms of capitalism and push companies to act in the best interests of workers and society as a whole.
    Ultimately, democratic socialists want workers to control the means of production. In the meantime, they see unions as a way to give workers more power under capitalism.
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    Would they not still be private corporations if the employees owned them?

    And if the employees owned them would they need to outsource regulation of them to the government (who they would presumably hope would regulate them in the same way they would want to regulate themselves)?

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