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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    I mean, details like:

    - which agencies?
    - operating under what legal authority?
    - what precisely did they do?
    - does that stray from the law?
    - is there some rule-of-law remedy in progress?

    Don't go Full Solzhenitsyn before doing the homework.
    They had no business being there, so the details are irrelevant. The ACLU and the Oregon AG are actively pursuing the case.

    And I hope the peaceful protester they shot in the face with one of their "non-lethal" projectiles files suit against them; he'll surely need settlement money to pay for his reconstruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    They had no business being there, so the details are irrelevant. The ACLU and the Oregon AG are actively pursuing the case.
    My understanding is that Federal law enforcement agencies are allowed to operate inside the USA under some circumstances, so, the details really do matter.

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    I guess I'd like a few more details on this "people being disappeared by anonymous federal agents" business before I go all Solzhenitsyn on folks.
    https://www.thenation.com/article/so...rtland-arrest/ was one I read this morning. The story is also on npr, and oregon public radio, and Washington Post.

    The particular person arrested was allegedly walking home at 2:30 in the am when apprehended. Not destroying anything.

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    It's just Trump brandishing his tiny mushroom ahead of the election, to invigorate his supporters. But, IMO, it's way down the slippery slope--we're not, or we shouldn't be--a police state.

    Trump is beginning to see the writing on the wall, and he's testing the limits of his power. If he gets away with calling out his secret police in DC and Portland, he'll be emboldened to deploy them wholesale if the election doesn't go his way. Between his zombie army and the Russian hackers/disinformation artists, he's going to give it all he's got. Meanwhile, COVID19 rages unopposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    Trump is beginning to see the writing on the wall, and he's testing the limits of his power. If he gets away with calling out his secret police in DC and Portland, he'll be emboldened to deploy them wholesale if the election doesn't go his way.
    The trouble is - the pace of the news cycle and the outrage-of-the-day is much much faster than the pace of resolving these troublesome behaviors through rule-of-law, which can take weeks/months/years.

    Some folks are quite good at exploiting this mismatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    The trouble is - the pace of the news cycle and the outrage-of-the-day is much much faster than the pace of resolving these troublesome behaviors through rule-of-law, which can take weeks/months/years.

    Some folks are quite good at exploiting this mismatch.
    I agree. The rule of law is under siege. The Supreme Court is (surprisingly) holding up its end, and as the saying goes "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    They had no business being there, so the details are irrelevant. The ACLU and the Oregon AG are actively pursuing the case.
    How long must the peaceful protesters be allowed to damage federal property and commit violence against those trying to protect the property before they have business being there? https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/...lence-portland
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    How long must the peaceful protesters be allowed to damage federal property and commit violence against those trying to protect the property before they have business being there? https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/...lence-portland
    See, those might be some of those circumstances that might well get the Feds entry to the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    I debated about voting by mail in our next election coming up in a couple of weeks, but I have to notarize it. .
    Do all absentee ballots in MO have to be notarized? If so, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    The trouble is - the pace of the news cycle and the outrage-of-the-day is much much faster than the pace of resolving these troublesome behaviors through rule-of-law, which can take weeks/months/years.

    Some folks are quite good at exploiting this mismatch.
    We live in an age where the BBC can refer to 27 police officers injured in largely peaceful anti-racism demonstrations. Details and chronology matter little when we’ve already decided on the ascendant narrative.

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