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    When we were back in Austin during local elections, Beto signs were everywhere and we had never even heard of him. It is pretty funny to hear media say his name Bay-toe and comment on his fake hispanic name. It is very common in much of Texas for Anglos to have Spanish nicknames. Beto is a nickname for Robert/Roberto. I also think we need some younger candidates but will have to study up on Beto before I make a judgement.

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    No democrat will avoid the republican ‘socialism’ labels. Judging from what gets called socialism by them i don’t think they know what the word means beyond it’s value in making their voters really afraid. I mean seriously, just last week a well known Russian congressman from southern california called it socialism when a waitress asked his table if they wanted straws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Judging from what gets called socialism by them i don’t think they know what the word means beyond it’s value in making their voters really afraid.
    What does it mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    What does it mean?
    Apparently any idea that a democrat has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Apparently any idea that a democrat has.

    None of the current slew of Democratic Socialists seem able to define it either. I think the best anyone can do at this point is to stress that it's not the bad kind that has destroyed economies and killed millions, it's the good kind that hasn't yet.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Trying to label everyone as either a socialist or a capitalist is silly. We have elements of both in our economy. Plenty of kids go to socialized k-12 schools, we drive around on socialized roads, I take a socialized transit train to work every day, old folks get socialized healthcare and pensions and if my house catches fire I'm going to call the socialized fire e democratic ideas of Medicare for all or free/reduced public university tuition are just expansions of various socialized things that already exist in this country. They aren't efforts to turn this into the Soviet Union v. 2.0. calling a candidate a socialist isn't an effort to help explain them or their ideas. It's just a way that republicans are trying to make them seem scary. There was no possible other point when John hickenlooper, a man who made his money opening and running a brewpub, was asked if he's a capitalist. You really can't get more capitalismish than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Trying to label everyone as either a socialist or a capitalist is silly.
    So would you characterize someone labeling themself as a “democratic socialist” as silly?

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    People can describe themselves however they choose. That's different from trying to force someone to accept one of a list of preset labels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    People can describe themselves however they choose. That's different from trying to force someone to accept one of a list of preset labels.
    That would be deplorable.

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    I'm not concerned about socialism; I'm much more concerned about the barely-restrained capitalism in this country that is bankrupting people needing medical care and pricing housing out of the reach of working families. "The love of money is the root of all evil," indeed.

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