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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    I think these are the same folks who oppose abortion but don't want to provide for the unwanted children once they are born.
    Is this one of the justifications for abortion? Because “people” don’t want to support children, it’s okay to justify an abortion? So better not to have lived than to have lived a childhood of neglect?

    Perhaps “people” oppose abortion because there seems ample evidence that it is far too convenient to eliminate an “inconvenience.” In some cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    For every unwilling to work person (and I don't deny they exist, but I suspect they mostly live off relatives not the government) there are several who would give nearly anything just to be able work and earn money, but can't find a job. Now if we could somehow make sure that there were jobs enough for everyone (it would be good if they paid enough to live off of as well), I guess THEN and only then we would have room to complain about people not willing to work.

    So I take it all people who criticize people for not being willing to work are advocates of a job guarantee, otherwise there is no room to talk (and frankly I'm skeptical that that would work, it's not my favorite approach, but the necessity to advocate for that is not on me, as I'm not the one complaining about people not working or saying they have to work to get basic services, so I don't have to make sure there are jobs for everyone just so they can get medical care etc.).
    The unemployment rate is very low, so there must be quite a few jobs out there. And many feel that we need more immigrants to fill jobs that canít be filled now. Maybe many donít want to work the jobs that are out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    The Democratic Socialists no longer operate within the political fringes, they're anything but nebulous.
    Ocasio-Cortez is Single handedly going to scare the American voting public right into the lap of Republicans. She is not nebulous....but in your face. Her Green New Deal makes the new generation politician crowd appear as fanatical with her elimination of automobiles, power plays and remodeling of buildings within tens years and hopefully the slaughter of all bovines? Judge her carefully. Untrustworthy in one , untrustworthy in all.

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    I didnt get the impression that yppeg was trying to justify abortion. I think they were just trying to point out that some (maybe a lot) of the pro-life crowd are not so much pro-life as just pro-forced-birth. Someone who is ok with kids being seperated from their parents and put in baby jails or who complains about their taxes being too high because supposedly lazy people get food stamps that buy food for kids is not pro-life. Just pro forced birth.

    And if they actually cared about reducing abortions they would be in favor of real sex ed instead if BS abstinance only sex ed and they would be vigorously in favor of easily available birth control. But itís not about reducing abortion. Itís about being moralizing busybodies.

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    Iím thinking of throwing my hat in the ring. My promise is making everyone a millionaire. If your currently a citizen and not a millionaire my administration will send you a check. And since socialism is now favored, it will be a million Venezuela VEF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    I didnt get the impression that yppeg was trying to justify abortion. I think they were just trying to point out that some (maybe a lot) of the pro-life crowd are not so much pro-life as just pro-forced-birth. Someone who is ok with kids being seperated from their parents and put in baby jails or who complains about their taxes being too high because supposedly lazy people get food stamps that buy food for kids is not pro-life. Just pro forced birth.

    And if they actually cared about reducing abortions they would be in favor of real sex ed instead if BS abstinance only sex ed and they would be vigorously in favor of easily available birth control. But it’s not about reducing abortion. It’s about being moralizing busybodies.
    Why stop at pre birth? Maybe we should give parents a few years to try the kids out. If it’s not working out for them they can euthanize them. That would help the environment and reduce the cost of caring for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    The unemployment rate is very low, so there must be quite a few jobs out there. And many feel that we need more immigrants to fill jobs that can’t be filled now. Maybe many don’t want to work the jobs that are out there.
    Part of the reason we have immigration laws and need to enforce them....and part of that are physical barriers.....is that cheap illegal labor drives down wages for all laborers. This is hardly a new idea. My ancestor owned a silverware and dinnerware factory. He imported Asian workers for production and replaced local workers. He became rather well off but was not respected by the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    I didnt get the impression that yppeg was trying to justify abortion. I think they were just trying to point out that some (maybe a lot) of the pro-life crowd are not so much pro-life as just pro-forced-birth. Someone who is ok with kids being seperated from their parents and put in baby jails or who complains about their taxes being too high because supposedly lazy people get food stamps that buy food for kids is not pro-life. Just pro forced birth.

    And if they actually cared about reducing abortions they would be in favor of real sex ed instead if BS abstinance only sex ed and they would be vigorously in favor of easily available birth control. But it’s not about reducing abortion. It’s about being moralizing busybodies.
    I seem to remember that their moralizing is protected by the first amendment and so is some hate speech against unborn children.

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    To side comment on the no abortion/care for the children idea:

    An overarching prolife ethic would care about the quality of peopleís lives once they are out of the womb also.

    I would define prolife this way:

    No abortion
    No war
    No capital punishment
    Healthcare for all
    universal basic income

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    Jp1 you have read me correctly. Thank you.

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