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    If the voters of this country (aided by Republican vote-suppression and Russian interference) vote for Trump--a veritable "Teflon don," with a crime history going back decades--over any of the Democratic candidates, they deserve what they get.

    Democratic proposals have wide appeal (according to polls), and they shouldn't have to be repudiated or watered down to appeal to Republicans. If we can't get enough people out to vote to overcome all the roadblocks thrown in our way, it will be on us. I believe, considering the success of progressives in the 2018 congressional races, that an overwhelming win is entirely possible.

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    Apart from a handful of highly visible progressives, wasn’t 2018 mostly a story of moderate Democrats defeating moderate Republicans by moderate margins in swing districts?

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    I did not think it would be a progressive blowout but now Trump has stepped on the third rail of politics by proposing cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

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    Jane, some of the people who voted for trump this time have been hurt by his policies and I don’t feel sorry for them at all. If you were stupid enough to vote for him you got what you deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    Jane, some of the people who voted for trump this time have been hurt by his policies and I don’t feel sorry for them at all. If you were stupid enough to vote for him you got what you deserved.
    It's unfortunate that the rest of us are riding the sinking ship with them...

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    I see Kirsten Gillibrand is now officially in. Ideologically, she seems to fit in somewhere between the democratic socialists who claim they can “teach an old dogma new tricks” and the old New Democrat hangovers from the 1990s. I may be wrong, as her convictions seem to have been somewhat malleable over time.

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    I recently saw a poll of likely Iowa democratic caucus goers. Biden was ranked first, Bernie second with both getting close to30%. Not particularly surprising since thye've both been around for a long time and undoubtedly are the most well known of the 242 people who are currently running for president. The interesting thing was that when Biden supporters were asked who their second choice would be almost 50% said Bernie, a guy with significant policy differences from Biden. Sometimes I wonder if the political pundit class and political news junkies overestimate the importance of ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    The interesting thing was that when Biden supporters were asked who their second choice would be almost 50% said Bernie, a guy with significant policy differences from Biden. Sometimes I wonder if the political pundit class and political news junkies overestimate the importance of ideology.
    "Old white guy from the correct party. Yup, I'll vote for him."

    Related: Did you see the embarrassment of Beto (“I want to be in it. Man, I’m just born to be in it.”) apologizing for being a young inconsiderate white dude the other day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    "Old white guy from the correct party. Yup, I'll vote for him."

    Related: Did you see the embarrassment of Beto (“I want to be in it. Man, I’m just born to be in it.”) apologizing for being a young inconsiderate white dude the other day?
    I think it's mostly about name recognition. Bernie is a mensch (Biden, not so much), but I'd rather have someone younger. Beto O'Roarke seems remarkably unseasoned to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Sometimes I wonder if the political pundit class and political news junkies overestimate the importance of ideology.
    Or maybe Iowans are just odd. They seem to be really into wrestling, for instance. That’s just creepy.

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