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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Now we've got leaf blower dads protecting people's first amendment rights.

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    All those groups with cute names and matching outfits. Sort of like a Portlandia sketch come to life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    All those groups with cute names and matching outfits. Sort of like a Portlandia sketch come to life.
    No kidding. Almost makes me wish we lived there. (although personally I would've gone with Home Depot Dads...) But that Cascadia subduction zone is no joke. Earthquakes here aren't likely to be nearly as catastrophic, just more frequent.

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    They were using leaf blowers in Hong Kong last year (although without the performance art). I read it can work well against aerosols but not true gases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    No kidding. Almost makes me wish we lived there.
    I LOVE Portlandia! if this weren't so serious, I'd die for a Fred/Carrie spoof.

    The thing that bothers me most about the violent/negative reaction to the protests is it completely negates the underlying issue!! It's like going to the doctor with cancer and the doctors bemoaning the outrageous use of bandages that curing it will involve. It makes me realize that most people will do anything to not upset their comfy status quo, including completely ignoring real social issues, which, if they were walking in the shoes of the oppressed, they'd surely sing a different tune.

    God forbid we break a couple eggs to improve life for 15% of our population. Can't we stop the FEDS v ANARCHIST argument of the week and look deeply into the injustices of the century?
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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    I LOVE Portlandia! if this weren't so serious, I'd die for a Fred/Carrie spoof.

    The thing that bothers me most about the violent/negative reaction to the protests is it completely negates the underlying issue!! It's like going to the doctor with cancer and the doctors bemoaning the outrageous use of bandages that curing it will involve. It makes me realize that most people will do anything to not upset their comfy status quo, including completely ignoring real social issues, which, if they were walking in the shoes of the oppressed, they'd surely sing a different tune.

    God forbid we break a couple eggs to improve life for 15% of our population. Can't we stop the FEDS v ANARCHIST argument of the week and look deeply into the injustices of the century?
    entirely theoretical: my perception as a decidedly priveleged person is that ya’ll will NEVER be happy with real or perceived or varying or imagined or whatever measure to address “injustice.”

    of course you are minimizing the whole business of equalizing outcome for all by saying “break a couple eggs. “


    We already broke a few eggs to put in to place the ACA. That was a piece of legislation that affected a large part of the population, a veey large number, who diD not benefit. About 15% of those who were not insured back in 2013 are now insured. To you that’s probably worth it. To me I think it’s a bad Move even though I Personally benefited from it, a privileged persoN. The ACA is a good example of a giant piece of legislation that is far reaching and can be debated on so many levels because there’s so much detail and It affects such a big part of the population in both anticipated consequences and in Unanticipated consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    entirely theoretical: my perception as a decidedly priveleged person is that ya’ll will NEVER be happy with real or perceived or varying or imagined or whatever measure to address “injustice.”

    of course you are minimizing the whole business of equalizing outcome for all by saying “break a couple eggs. “
    Was the breaking of a few eggs during Civil Rights Movement worth it? Or should we have continued to allow segregation because "those black folks will never be satisfied."

    Was the breaking of a few eggs during the Women's Liberation Movement worth it? Or should we have made sure we kept the little women in the kitchen where they belong and let them whine about injustice during their afternoon bridge clubs?

    in terms of equalizing outcome, when it comes to justice and equality, what is good for 15% is probably a good outcome for all. As far as the ACA, even Obama said that was just the foot in the door. Yes, we broke a couple eggs, but the omelets will come when we finally realize that all the other developed nations have the right idea.
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    The ACA saved my DIL’s life. The insurance through the casino was awful and didn’t meet ACA standards.

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    The ACA also benefitted SO because it eliminated the $1m lifetime cap on his traditional employer plan.

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    My DIL’s surgery could only be performed by very few doctors and was a million dollar surgery.

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    If I needed medical care that only a few doctors covered I would assume they would all be out of network in ACA plans. Narrow networks, they are all about that.

    Btw and noone ever can explain this to me please tell me how ACA plans are a good option for the unemployed when future income is unforeseeable - ok one hopes for the best and plans for the worst but one has to actually be able to anticipate future income to plan ACA subsidies and no-can-do (and of course perhaps past income means one doesn't qualify for a subsidy no matter how out of work they are now).

    The ACA does not mesh well with unemployement, it assumes predictable income (also doesn't mesh well with gig work or any work with an unpredictable income - the ACA seems built for an economy that hasn't existed since long before it was created!). Well we've got enough unemployment now so that's going to become pretty obvious. Take the subsidy and pay it back if one ends up not qualifying? No um you don't understand how it works, non-ACA equivalent plans may be significantly cheaper, if one did that one would potentially lose a bunch of money.
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