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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I found that to be one of the more wrong-headed statements of the evening. She basically invites people to believe there are no constraints on the powers of the office so that they will believe any promise made to be possible. That’s not idealistic. That’s cynical.

    Me, I like limits on power. The more the better. Whatever happened to politics as the art of the possible?
    Really? How about the limits on the powerful corporate oligarchs? On the powerful political establishment? On the limited contraints of unfettered capitalism?

    And I took Warren's quote as exactly the opposite: she it talking specifically about the art of the possible. Her drive to reach for the stars in terms of healthcare for all is no less a promise than JFKs promise to put people on the moon within a decade. She is for the power of the people to thrive without worrying about their health. She is AGAINST the power of the healthcare industries to dictate what doctors can prescribe and people can get in the interest of their own profits.
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    For me it's not so much who exactly I like, but who might beat Trump and who might actually be able to get things through a divided congress. Personal favorite is Warren, but the practical choice is probably Biden for those reasons.
    I'm not sure why a candidate who seems to generate as little excitement as Biden does, is seen as a sure thing to beat Trump. Other candidates have their committed voters, even a few candidates polling 1-3% have a few people really excited about them, but is almost anyone excited about Biden?

    Vote for Biden: bore more years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    I'm not sure why a candidate who seems to generate as little excitement as Biden does, is seen as a sure thing to beat Trump. Other candidates have their committed voters, even a few candidates polling 1-3% have a few people really excited about them, but is almost anyone excited about Biden?

    Vote for Biden: bore more years!
    i've had it--absolutely had it--with the status quo. i agree with Buttigieg that we're going to be maligned for being socialists--which many of us are--no matter what we do, so we might as well go big or go home. I'm sick of living in a country of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich--we can do so much better than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    Really? How about the limits on the powerful corporate oligarchs? On the powerful political establishment? On the limited contraints of unfettered capitalism?

    And I took Warren's quote as exactly the opposite: she it talking specifically about the art of the possible. Her drive to reach for the stars in terms of healthcare for all is no less a promise than JFKs promise to put people on the moon within a decade. She is for the power of the people to thrive without worrying about their health. She is AGAINST the power of the healthcare industries to dictate what doctors can prescribe and people can get in the interest of their own profits.
    The problem I see with that kind of thinking is that it imbues the office of president with a sort of imperial aura. The president as hero who will strike down any villain we care to nominate. The great provider who can give us whatever we want.

    The danger I see with that kind of thinking, especially after decades of congress ceding power to the executive, is that the dream of arbitrary power could eventually come true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post

    Me, I like limits on power. The more the better.
    Then it is time to get Trump out... he definitely needs limits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post

    Vote for Biden: bore more years!
    A lot better than the constant drama and chaos we have now!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    The problem I see with that kind of thinking is that it imbues the office of president with a sort of imperial aura. The president as hero who will strike down any villain we care to nominate. The great provider who can give us whatever we want.

    The danger I see with that kind of thinking, especially after decades of congress ceding power to the executive, is that the dream of arbitrary power could eventually come true.
    Isn't this exactly what Trump is doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    Isn't this exactly what Trump is doing?
    Yes. He’s as bad as Obama with his pen and his phone. I don’t know why people keep expecting me to defend Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I don’t know why people keep expecting me to defend Trump.
    Because Trump is Republican (sort of). I feel sorry for you Republicans having to take one of the team when the captain is such a Side Show Bob.
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    I wish more young energetic people would get enthused for candidates as they did for Obama. I think it is a pretty sure bet (I will be surprised if not) that an old, white man will be the President.

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