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    I'm back on the Bernie bandwagon. I don't care how old he is, or the fact that he's white, and male--(read: putting aside identity politics)--He still has integrity and consistency of message, and he seems to me to be the least likely to sell out.

    I just read that Kamala Harris's husband hosted a huge fundraiser that was sponsored in part by Epstein's law firm--while she was denouncing him. I know purity in politics is some kind of unachievable holy grail, but I do think Bernie is closest to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    I'm back on the Bernie bandwagon. I don't care how old he is, or the fact that he's white, and male--(read: putting aside identity politics)--He still has integrity and consistency of message, and he seems to me to be the least likely to sell out.

    I just read that Kamala Harris's husband hosted a huge fundraiser that was sponsored in part by Epstein's law firm--while she was denouncing him. I know purity in politics is some kind of unachievable holy grail, but I do think Bernie is closest to it.
    It's a law firm with over 1000 partners. Are we really going to hold all of them accountable for the actions of a few? (This is assuming, of course, that the six lawyers who hosted the fundraiser were not involved in the Epstein case.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    It's a law firm with over 1000 partners. Are we really going to hold all of them accountable for the actions of a few? (This is assuming, of course, that the six lawyers who hosted the fundraiser were not involved in the Epstein case.)
    I know what you are saying, and that makes a lot of sense. But reading about the fundraiser, with Epstein's partners involved, it made me realize that I think I want a true populist. Of course the other 999 lawyers in that firm are not necessarily pedophiles and sexual deviants, nor do they support Epstein. But yesterday, DH and I cried our way through the movie Philadelphia for the umpteenth time, and that joke at the end about a hundred lawyers at the bottom of the ocean makes me realize that a corporate law firm is as powerful as any Monsanto or Nestle, and they will do whatever they can to protect their corporate interests. If somehow Epstein had some value to them, they would defend him to the death for the sake of the company. And that's not necessarily for the good of the people overall.

    That's why that fundraiser made me think twice about Kamala Harris and others who rely on corporate interests.
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    Playing devil's advocate here because from everything I've heard Epstein sounds like a truly awful person, and if the accusations are true he, and probably a lot of other people, ought to be rotting in jail for the rest of their lives. That said, I still think he, and everyone else accused of any crime, deserves to have good representation in court. Otherwise our criminal justice system can't be just.

    Your point about taking money from big powerful lawyers is certainly valid. And is one of many reasons that I really like Warren. And also one of the reasons I'd prefer a more robust system of public financing of elections with more restrictions on how campaigns can be financed. But until we have that in place the reality is that the system is rigged to favor candidates that can pull in the big bucks.

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