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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    That certainly seems to figure in a lot of people’s fantasies, and I would much prefer a President Pence, but I would suspect if there was a true bombshell there it would have been leaked by now.

    And nothing about the current allegations detracts from my gratitude to God and a couple of generations of cold warriors that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics has been relegated to the ash heap of history.
    You're kidding, right? The Evil Empire is alive and well under a new name. Putin has his evil fingers in everything from Brexit to American elections. And IMO Pence is about as viable a candidate as Mr. Ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    You're kidding, right? The Evil Empire is alive and well under a new name. Putin has his evil fingers in everything from Brexit to American elections. And IMO Pence is about as viable a candidate as Mr. Ed.
    The Russian Federation is a mere shadow of its former imperial self. Just ask the Poles, Czechs and Hungarians. Putin has to content himself with bullying a few formal vassal states and the sort of election mischief many countries attempt. If Europe (with a few noble exceptions) ever gets around to displaying a bit more backbone, Russia would be even less influential.

    I think the primary threat of the 21st century is China.

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    Ultimately, democratic socialists want workers to control the means of production. In the meantime, they see unions as a way to give workers more power under capitalism.
    All that is saying is that every firm was a worker co-op with all decisions reached by the workers of the firm, unions wouldn't be necessary. It is all rather utopian, since that is very far from the case (so hence unions).

    If the question is whether or not democratic socialists in general support public sector unions? The answer is: yes, they support them.
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    The kind of damage Putin is doing doesn't take a lot of resources. Our elections are eminently hackable and social media bots can change public opinion. And then there is our power grid ...Recommended reading: Malcolm Nance's The Plot to Hack America.

    And now, Putin--with Trump's eager help--is angling to sell nuclear power plants to Saudi Arabia, which has no need of energy. Can nuclear weapons be far behind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    That certainly seems to figure in a lot of people’s fantasies, and I would much prefer a President Pence, but I would suspect if there was a true bombshell there it would have been leaked by now.

    And nothing about the current allegations detracts from my gratitude to God and a couple of generations of cold warriors that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics has been relegated to the ash heap of history.
    Are we to think then that Russia did not interfere with the last elections in favor of Trump? Probably a well worn out topic, but just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Are we to think then that Russia did not interfere with the last elections in favor of Trump? Probably a well worn out topic, but just saying.
    I guess that's considered irrelevant among conservatives, since it broke their way. How many indictments and convictions have resulted from such shenanigans now? I guess Russian bots are already targeting Democratic candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Are we to think then that Russia did not interfere with the last elections in favor of Trump? Probably a well worn out topic, but just saying.
    I would predicate that conclusion on the available evidence. Despite some of Trump’s circle getting squeezed on unrelated or process crimes the Special Prosecutor has not yet produced anything that strikes me as conclusive.

    Did Russia try to influence the election by spreading lies? I don’t doubt that they, and many other parties did. Is that collusion? I don’t know if it is, absent proof. I don’t believe, for instance, that David Duke’s endorsement of Tulsi Gabbard means she colluded with the KKK.

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    Have any of you listened to Pete Buttigieg's interviews? I ignored them for awhile, since he was "just" the mayor of South Bend, IN. He is openly gay, and has been mayor for 8 years. He came out during his term, and still voted in again.
    This guy sounds really good. He's only something like 37, but sounds VERY reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CathyA View Post
    but sounds VERY reasonable.
    That is probably a liability in the present climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    Actually, jp, that is a serious consideration, and while I am a huge Bernie fan, I agree with what Jane said about the need for new blood. He has inspired his own proteges at this point, and maybe they're the ones better suited to carry the banner. I just feel bad that Bernie is like Moses, leading people to the Progressive Promised Land but unable to cross over himself. He probably has missed his window.

    I'll continue to support Bernie and see what happens.
    To this point I made earlier, here's a news piece that echoes it well (BTW, the news reporter is my cousin)

    https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...rCGm6sSgdqEVbw
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