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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Nice article, and nice analysis of the carbon costs of each mode of transportation.

    I agree that high-speed rail would have to be rolled out in a way that makes sense. I use Amtrak whenever I can. Being in the Northeast Corridor, I prefer Amtrak to air travel if I'm going from NJ to Boston or NJ to DC. There have to be other point-to-point options that would make sense for high speed rail.

    But I think air travel is here to stay. Not sure how to address the environmental impact of that fact, really, unless someone comes up with some way to keep planes in the air with renewable resources. Not sure about who here has given up air travel, but I've read that environmentalist/actor Ed Begley Jr refuses to travel in planes.

    I do feel guilty about the amount of air travel I've done. I've flown 1M+ miles over the past 20 years. These days I'm not flying as much, but if someone asks me to go to the West Coast for research before I'm ready to retire, I will fly, no doubt.

    In terms of the New Green Deal, I think developing better rail infrastructure is a good idea, but I don't think it will ever remotely negate the need for air travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    Nice article, and nice analysis of the carbon costs of each mode of transportation.

    I agree that high-speed rail would have to be rolled out in a way that makes sense. I use Amtrak whenever I can. Being in the Northeast Corridor, I prefer Amtrak to air travel if I'm going from NJ to Boston or NJ to DC. There have to be other point-to-point options that would make sense for high speed rail.

    But I think air travel is here to stay. Not sure how to address the environmental impact of that fact, really, unless someone comes up with some way to keep planes in the air with renewable resources. Not sure about who here has given up air travel, but I've read that environmentalist/actor Ed Begley Jr refuses to travel in planes.

    I do feel guilty about the amount of air travel I've done. I've flown 1M+ miles over the past 20 years. These days I'm not flying as much, but if someone asks me to go to the West Coast for research before I'm ready to retire, I will fly, no doubt.

    In terms of the New Green Deal, I think developing better rail infrastructure is a good idea, but I don't think it will ever remotely negate the need for air travel.

    Well, based on your air travel history compared to my handfull of air trips I’ve made in my life....it would appear that I have unintentionally been a better steward of this planet than frequent flyers. Given that air travel accounts for an ever growing per cent age of carbon emissions....air travel has doubled since 1985. Add to it cargo transportation for online purchasing. Add the influence of the Chinese and Indian economies. We can reduce carbon emission from all other sources and air transportation will more than adequately nullify any of those gains.

    The obvious future for “consumers” and jet setters and jet reliant vocations is that people like Ocasio-Cortez-Cortez will be notifying you that you have a carbon creation limit. No more frequent flying. Take a bicycle trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    I have been working, working, working lately....this is my high season and for whatever reason I don't fully comprehend, I'm liked where I work and further seemingly at least slightly respected, plus I have made it crystal clear I'm happy taking every shift I can while OT is available, so I have been busy. And not keeping up with things as much as I would like. But I am worried - as I've stated before, many of my neighbors in the 85006 work at the Phoenix airport, so what happens in regards to air travel/safety of said air travel is a big deal where I live. Though to be fair you could drive two miles north of me to a higher income neighborhood where issues with air safety don't impact economic survival but rather are more along the lines of risk due to air traffic controllers being stretched too thin/TSA not being paid and not having any incentive to catch dangerous contraband being attempted to be brought on board a flight.

    I have heard there is a potential agreement but it is much less than Trump's requested 5.7 billion dollars and is more along the lines of fortifying what's already there vs. building a 2,000 miles plus long wall structure. My guess is that The Thug Of Orange Desperately Needing A Crash Course in Manners And Diplomacy won't sign whatever is headed to his desk under these conditions. I dread this as it means so much upheaval to so many people and so much collateral damage, all of which is unnecessary.

    I do have some good news on this topic to report, however. Given that Nogales, Arizona, seems to be the poster border community for concertina wire, with the US Side of the steel wall cutting across Ambos Nogales (means both Nogaleses, and it's used frequently on both sides of Nogales) COMPLETELY covered by six rows of concertina wire.....get this, however. The City of Nogales, Arizona has requested that the wire be removed. If not, the city of Nogales will sue. I'm so proud of Nogales, I really am. There's a part of me that dislikes myself as I'm not there to protest the concertina wire - what kind of human being am I living on 2.5 hours away, knowing what I do about America and not being present to protest? I do harbor guilt over this but I also realize that this OT will only be here for another eight weeks.....and this border issue is not going away Plenty of protests will take place in the future so I'm taking solace in that. Rob
    Rob, you should recruit some of your likeminded folks in the 85006 and travel to Mexico. Spread the news about how awful a country we have here. Maybe if you tell some of those war stories about all The injustices then maybe the 51% of illegals who’s country of origin is Mexico will stop violating our immigration laws to get into such a horrible country. Why in the hell do they want to come here in the first place?

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    We probably fly once a year. Air travel is not going to be limited in the future.

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    I foresee solar-powered and solar-assisted aircraft; they're in the works already. I fervently hope the last gasp of fossil fuels is just around the corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Wouldnt it make more sense to just ban commuting for employment more than say ten miles in one direction given that the planet is in crisis mode from carbon emissions. And a complete ban on travel for vacationing and leisure must be a common sense action that you would embrace. All jet airliners shuttered, power plants shutdown, and moo cows slaughtered could bring us back from the brink. No? Don’t you have the least bit of guilt for jetting around endlessly and ruining the climate for me?
    Eat more beef from cattle that had their laryxn removed. (no moo cows)

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    I work in surgery. Cannot telecommute for that.
    Robotic arms and the internet.

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    Rob, the orange moron needs a win so I think he will sign it and then lie like he always does.
    Or he veto's it, the congress overrides him and then he says that he tried to fulfill his campaign promise.

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    If you stop to think about what surgery actually involves the idea that you can telecommute is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    I foresee solar-powered and solar-assisted aircraft; they're in the works already. I fervently hope the last gasp of fossil fuels is just around the corner.
    The internal combustion engine is the second greatest invention ever.......second only to the wheel.

    I believe in anyone’s right to stop using fossil fuel. Just don’t force it on me.

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    There’s certainly precedent in US history of requiring sacrafice. During WWII for instance many goods were rationed so they could ve used in the war effort. I remember my father telling me that he had to get a special dispensation to be able to purchase bicycle tires. He was a paperboy so it was granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    There’s certainly precedent in US history of requiring sacrafice. During WWII for instance many goods were rationed so they could ve used in the war effort. I remember my father telling me that he had to get a special dispensation to be able to purchase bicycle tires. He was a paperboy so it was granted.
    Yes, all that War propaganda had to get to the houses. Better get that kid some tires.

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