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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Sounds like a reasonable plan. Get the R's on the record as hating the planet.
    So if Democrats abstain from voting on the resolution would that mean they hate the planet too? Or do they really have feelings for the planet, but just want to play it coy for now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    So if Democrats abstain from voting on the resolution would that mean they hate the planet too? Or do they really have feelings for the planet, but just want to play it coy for now?
    I think the current meme is that any Democrat politician not actively embracing Socialist ideology is actually a Republican.
    If that were only true, I believe Republicans could have a veto proof majority in both houses forevermore.
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    I think the republican plan is to keep saying the scary word socialist over and over and over to distract from the fact that voters actually like a lot of the democrat's ideas and also distract from the fact that the republicans only big idea at this point is "SCARY BROWN PEOPLE ARE COMING TO KILL YOU!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I think the current meme is that any Democrat politician not actively embracing Socialist ideology is actually a Republican.
    If that were only true, I believe Republicans could have a veto proof majority in both houses forevermore.
    I’m not clear on what the Democratic Socialists mean when they say “socialism”.

    Is it a control of the means of production thing in the classic Marxist sense? Is it putting Jeff Bezos’ allowable net worth to a vote? Is it an attempt to take the capital out of capitalism through various regulatory measures? Is it a more robust Welfare State? Is it central planning of the economy? Is it redistribution? Is it roads, as I so often hear it claimed? Is it just a naughty word to shock the elderly who remember the body count accumulated in the last century by various regimes with “Socialist” in their names?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    I think the republican plan is to keep saying the scary word socialist over and over and over to distract from the fact that voters actually like a lot of the democrat's ideas and also distract from the fact that the republicans only big idea at this point is "SCARY BROWN PEOPLE ARE COMING TO KILL YOU!"
    Says a representative of the only institutional remnant of the Confederacy not banned from the public square. Such is the power of delusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I’m not clear on what the Democratic Socialists mean when they say “socialism”.

    Is it a control of the means of production thing in the classic Marxist sense? NO Is it putting Jeff Bezos’ allowable net worth to a vote? NO Is it an attempt to take the capital out of capitalism through various regulatory measures? SOMETIMES Is it a more robust Welfare State? DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY WELFAREIs it central planning of the economy? DON'T WE DO THAT NOW? Is it redistribution? IN A SENSE Is it roads, as I so often hear it claimed? SOMETIMES Is it just a naughty word to shock the elderly who remember the body count accumulated in the last century by various regimes with “Socialist” in their names? THAT WAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
    Democratic socialism can be summed up by its egalitarianism. Again, it's not a black box. Many countries are already operating within a Democratic Socialism framework, and guess what--their citizens are happy and healthy.
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    I think the republican plan is to keep saying the scary word socialist over and over and over to distract from the fact that voters actually like a lot of the democrat's ideas and also distract from the fact that the republicans only big idea at this point is "SCARY BROWN PEOPLE ARE COMING TO KILL YOU!"
    at this point more and more people are calling themselves socialists, some of who actually are for deep reasons (there are deep problems with the economic system afterall), but many just because they want things like a functional healthcare system.

    But if that's socialism (don't become socialist like Canada and ever other developed country in the world!), and social security is socialism and etc. etc.. don't be surprised if you turn around and nearly everyone claims to be a socialist now. Well DUH.

    Sane non-extreme responses to any social crisis have been off limits for so many decades that ..all many people know is that they actually want many of the saner policies that exist elsewhere and sometimes here but are under threat, and if that's called "socialism" then call them comrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I’m not clear on what the Democratic Socialists mean when they say “socialism”.
    If you were actually interested in the answer to the question you'd look to Bernie's platform in the last presidential election for a few clues.

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    But back to the topic at hand:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/alex...ns-poll-2019-2

    Next, we polled seven ideas or components of the deal that would be linked to policy priorities, all of which are quite vague. Given the loose nature of the proposals, we asked respondents how important it was to implement these policy proposals, on a scale with five options running from "not at all important" to "extremely important."

    • 87.6% of respondents said it was somewhat, very, or extremely important that the federal government invest in infrastructure designed to build resilience against climate-change-related disasters.
    • 87.2% of poll respondents said it was somewhat, very, or extremely important that the US meet 100% of its power demands through renewable or zero-emission energy sources; 12.7% said this goal was either not so important or not at all important.
    • 86% of those polled said it was important that the federal government enact policies aimed at achieving net-zero greenhouse-gas emissions (which would mean no added carbon dioxide in the atmosphere).
    • Support for improving the energy efficiency of new and existing buildings was particularly high at 89%.
    • And 87.5% of respondents said it's important that both manufacturing and agricultural businesses and industries be required to be as emission-free as technologically feasible.
    • The resolution's call for major investment in energy-efficient transportation was also popular, with 87.6% of those polled saying it's important that the government invest directly in a high-speed rail system, zero-emission vehicle infrastructure, and clean public transit.

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    So many comments are ridiculous. Other countries are doing a much better job than we are because they recognize it’s in everybody’s best interest for citizens to all have access to healthcare, housing, roads that aren’t falling apart, etc.

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