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    Canadians have been taxed into poverty to pay for their healthcare! All their millionaires fled the country! They have no freedom and no jobs, only socialist breadlines! And their lifespans are considerably shorter than Americans!

    TRUMP 2020! Yee-haw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultralight View Post
    A small price to pay for freedom, right Alan and LDAHL?!
    Did you read the article? My take on it was that the service provider cannot operate on Medicare level reimbursements (much like the hospitals mentioned in Dado Potato's several posts), resulting in the service provider overcharging private insurance companies.

    What we should be asking ourselves is once we eliminate private insurance and force Medicare on everyone, who will provide service? That may be the true price we impose on freedom lovers.
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    Couple it with free higher education and student loan forgiveness and doctors and other medical professionals can work for less. After all, isn't it better to have those saving people's lives have their loans forgiven versus public sector fundraising telemarketers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    Couple it with free higher education and student loan forgiveness and doctors and other medical professionals can work for less. After all, isn't it better to have those saving people's lives have their loans forgiven versus public sector telemarketers?
    LOL! Here we go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    Couple it with free higher education and student loan forgiveness and doctors and other medical professionals can work for less.
    Of course every American will pay more for the privilege of professionals working for less. That seems more regressive than progressive, don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultralight View Post
    LOL! Here we go.
    You added your own text to Yppej's post without taking credit for it. You should fix that!
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    France is an interesting healthcare model. I watched a documentary on them several years ago. What struck me most There is an MD on every ambulance. Admission to hospitals was reduced by 90% the first year. Read this for the pros/cons:

    https://vittana.org/17-france-health...-pros-and-cons

    Comparison of USA vs France:
    http://www.brightonyourhealth.com/di...lth-insurance/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Of course every American will pay more for the privilege of professionals working for less. That seems more regressive than progressive, don't you think?
    You spread the costs over everyone instead of blaming sick people for their illnesses and making them in some cases go bankrupt as punishment. If instead of health care being a common good and a right we want to make it a reward for innocence or virtuous behavior we could make a revenue neutral system where we cover everything for babies since they are innocent but don't cover things like lung cancer treatment for smokers.

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    80% of money is spent on the final 30 days of life was the statistic reported early this century. Age doesn't matter.

    The best data is truly available for Medicare as it is the single best snapshot of an age demographic since virtually all 65yo and up are participating in it.

    https://www.kff.org/report-section/m...life-findings/

    Comparative end-of-life spending, article July 17: https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/fu...haff.2017.0174

    I continue to believe 1 of our many problems in US healthcare is the demand for every damn test and right now! MRIs are overused and under-accurate. Not every complaint requires an MRI. Colds do not go away because of antibiotics...they go away with "tincture of time", my favorite prescription.

    My surgeon insisted on an MRI and it showed very little pathology. After 6 more miserable months, I asked for a knee arthroscopy to look. HUGE hole in my femoral condyle. I waited another 15months before having my replacement. So: xrays, steroid pack, steroid injection, MRI, knee arthroscopy, more x-rays, then finally the replacement. What is the right answer? This is the recommended course of treatment for my complaint.

    The use and abuse of healthcare is most definitely my soapbox having been on the inside for 38+ years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    You spread the costs over everyone instead of blaming sick people for their illnesses and making them in some cases go bankrupt as punishment. If instead of health care being a common good and a right we want to make it a reward for innocence or virtuous behavior we could make a revenue neutral system where we cover everything for babies since they are innocent but don't cover things like lung cancer treatment for smokers.
    I would agree that health care should be considered a common good, but not that it is a right. Health care is a service that is provided at a cost, one which we hope everyone can afford, and we could use a robust safety net in place to help those who cannot.

    The problem, as I see it, comes when we use the power of government to place limits on individuals in order to enhance others ability to pay for services or limit the earning potential of highly skilled professionals in the business of providing a service. And we really need to stop referring to "free" things, such as education or healthcare when the reality is that every single one of us will be expected to pay for the benefits enjoyed by others.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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