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    What do you think of this idea?

    Today I am off (Happy July 4th btw everyone!) and spent part of my day online. One disturbing thing I read is of a recent confrontation between a black man (thankfully the whole thing was videoed on smartphone just like the recent event in Phoenix was) and a police officer in Boulder, Colorado, clearly proving the police officer wrong and breaking the law.....

    Then I had an idea and I thought I'd run it by here as you'all are familiar with what a big deal such events are for me. My idea is this - to start a website similar to Talk Show Soup - a show years ago that had bits and segments of all the day's funky events on talk shows. In my case, the website would cover police brutality issues nationwide - and would stick with cases to the bitter end, highlighting settlements, firings, resignations, consequences of any kind.

    This is totally right up my alley but if it's such a great idea, I wonder why it has not already been done? What do you'all think? I could see something like this lending my life significant meaning, and it might be some kind of legacy I can leave behind that would put a teensy little bit of good into a very crazy world.

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    This just reminded me that I need to get out my “thank you Police “yard signs and put them up. I retire them for a while and then put them back up, just to keep things fresh although I think I’m going to install one of them on our back fence permanently.

    Thanks for the reminder Rob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    This just reminded me that I need to get out my “thank you Police “yard signs and put them up. I retire them for a while and then put them back up, just to keep things fresh although I think I’m going to install one of them on our back fence permanently.

    Thanks for the reminder Rob.
    Fair enough, IL. You don't have to agree with my stance/take, fair enough.....but you also did not answer my question in my post. No one says you have to, I'm just pointing this out is all. Rob

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    If your effort is factual, it would be helpful. If it is screed, not helpful.

    Me, I'm continuing my police reform work by showing up at classes at the Seattle Police training facility, and working with our local Sheriff's office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    If your effort is factual, it would be helpful. If it is screed, not helpful.

    Me, I'm continuing my police reform work by showing up at classes at the Seattle Police training facility, and working with our local Sheriff's office.
    Bae, no snark here, I am seriously curious. What kind of police reform do you aim to achieve via your methods? I'm not saying your methods are wrong, either, I am only trying to understand. Rob

    PS I agree with you - anything I post on such a website I propose would need to be factual, otherwise I'm just adding to the drama and the noise. It's Ok to do so as the police make clear each and every day all around the United States - but doing so in a non-factual manner completely defeats my purpose and I'd be better off just using my current methods. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    Bae, no snark here, I am seriously curious. What kind of police reform do you aim to achieve via your methods? I'm not saying your methods are wrong, either, I am only trying to understand. Rob

    PS I agree with you - anything I post on such a website I propose would need to be factual, otherwise I'm just adding to the drama and the noise. It's Ok to do so as the police make clear each and every day all around the United States - but doing so in a non-factual manner completely defeats my purpose and I'd be better off just using my current methods. Rob
    Your current methods seem rather one-sided and show extreme bias. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to do something about that.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    Bae, no snark here, I am seriously curious. What kind of police reform do you aim to achieve via your methods? I'm not saying your methods are wrong, either, I am only trying to understand. Rob
    Well, I have to think it has a positive effect on the performance and outlook of the officers to work with them helping train them in non-lethal/less-lethal use-of-force, weapons retention, edge-weapon defense, trauma medicine, and so on. This gives them more options, and reduces their anxiety, and increases their proficiency, which I suspect all together help give them the ability to be kinder and gentler.

    I also work with post-incident trauma and stress sessions, which probably reduces burnout, suicide and divorce rates.

    And I work on active-shooter response, because I go into the building with them when we have such things.

    And I move all the dead bodies, so they don't have to be traumatized by that, as they have less of a support system in place than my team does. They call us, we deal with it, they buy us coffee later.

    And my team works with them on marine response, which is a team effort, and our participation has resulted in a reduction in injury and accident rates, improved response time, and overall safety.

    And my team backs them up when they have Troublesome Situations, so the one or two officers have more options available to them, which reduces stress and improves outcomes, and adds a lot of accountability and transparency.

    I mean, sure, I could just robocall their offices and say "we're watching you", but I think my hands-on citizen participation wins more hearts and minds, saves more lives, and produces better outcomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Well, I have to think it has a positive effect on the performance and outlook of the officers to work with them helping train them in non-lethal/less-lethal use-of-force, weapons retention, edge-weapon defense, trauma medicine, and so on. This gives them more options, and reduces their anxiety, and increases their proficiency, which I suspect all together help give them the ability to be kinder and gentler.

    I also work with post-incident trauma and stress sessions, which probably reduces burnout, suicide and divorce rates.

    And I work on active-shooter response, because I go into the building with them when we have such things.

    And I move all the dead bodies, so they don't have to be traumatized by that, as they have less of a support system in place than my team does. They call us, we deal with it, they buy us coffee later.

    And my team works with them on marine response, which is a team effort, and our participation has resulted in a reduction in injury and accident rates, improved response time, and overall safety.

    And my team backs them up when they have Troublesome Situations, so the one or two officers have more options available to them, which reduces stress and improves outcomes, and adds a lot of accountability and transparency.

    I mean, sure, I could just robocall their offices and say "we're watching you", but I think my hands-on citizen participation wins more hearts and minds, saves more lives, and produces better outcomes.
    Bae, i've read over your post here several times and done some thinking over it and I will give you this - your way is kindler and gentler than mine, yes. I can see that and even agree with that.

    So why don't I make any effort to adopt at least some of your kindler and gentler way? Simple answer - it would not work here. Phoenix is too big and too aggressive and the PD is too into thinking they are Gods completely above the law for such to work. All that will work here is my much more aggressive, in your face with consequences and media coverage approach. For anything against the police and in the name of the Rule of Law and Human Rights to work here, individual officers have to feel some fear of financial loss if not outright terror. It may not be that way where you are, and if it's not, that's great and I support your methods (I truly do) and as I posted to IL a little bit ago - you do you.

    My point? In the 5th largest city in America (Phoenix recently surpassed Philadelphia in population for the #5 spot) your techniques are not going to work. I've gotta go with what does, less pleasant than yours though the tactics may be. It's about saving lives from the police, saving people from physical harm from the police, and cashing in on them for every penny when possible. This is what police/resident relations have sunk to in lower income Phoenix, AZ zip codes. It's not pleasant but then how often is reality pleasant when you get right down to it? Rob

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    When you get your video website up and running don’t forget to include this video clip, It is brutal:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TTNSvIzwdA8

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    I really don't understand Rob's profound dislike of police.

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