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    I have had pain pills after surgery and they just put me to sleep. I never take them more than a few days but make the difference from laying awake in pain or sleeping. I can’t imagine wanting to feel that way all the time.

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    It seems the lucky ones are those who react badly to their first dose--like my SO and a friend's husband.

    You can take any unused medications back to the pharmacy, I understand. (And even if you lived in my basement, you wouldn't have to worry about me. I wouldn't even pinch the few drugs I approve of. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    So anyone who uses pharmaceuticals as prescribed and becomes addicted (as Pharma executives calculated they would) is either an irresponsible druggie or a whiner. Got it.
    Thank You, Jane. I could not agree with your point more. Rob

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    A well patient isn't a paying patient. My doctor kept me on meds for 22 years saying they were no different than insulin for a diabetic. He actually referred to me as the poster child for benzos because I never needed to go up in dosage. For years I battled so many other physical ailments not for once thinking it was coming from the drugs I was taking as prescribed. I finally figured it out on my own and got off them - on my own. It was interesting finding out he was getting kickbacks from the drug companies for prescribing. I recently had heart to hearts with my GP and the specialists he sent me to asking why none of them ever challenged the drug history in my symptoms.

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    Doctors getting any kind of kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies is highly illegal and strictly regulated, besides being immoral. If you want to go back to the original drive for prescription narcotics, it was consumer pressure to rate pain as "the fifth vital sign." Americans don't want to feel any amount of pain, physical or emotional, and the worst that pharmaceutical companies did was market to that desire. Now we as a society have created a huge problem. Those who will suffer most are those with severe, chronic pain who actually are well-served by narcotics prescribed judiciously and used wisely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by befree View Post
    Doctors getting any kind of kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies is highly illegal and strictly regulated, besides being immoral. If you want to go back to the original drive for prescription narcotics, it was consumer pressure to rate pain as "the fifth vital sign."
    I disagree with the second point. Do not think that was it. I also think the first point is important, but that docs actually do get kickbacks, or have in the past, illegal or immoral or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tybee View Post
    but that docs actually do get kickbacks, or have in the past, illegal or immoral or not.
    They just donít call it kickbacks. That sounds so unseemly...

    https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/

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    Quote Originally Posted by befree View Post
    If you want to go back to the original drive for prescription narcotics, it was consumer pressure to rate pain as "the fifth vital sign."
    I see a large number of people in the back of ambulances. They need meds.

    As far as "the fifth vital sign", well, pain is quite helpful in diagnosis. So yes, it is a vital sign of sorts.

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    The "propublica" website cites several doctors as having received MILLIONS in payments. Does that make sense? I googled my own name and, much to my surprise, I received "payments" (which I can assure you I did not). Take propaganda with a grain of salt, guys.

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