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    Quote Originally Posted by kib View Post
    or is this another untrustworthy bubble?
    I've lived through two bubbles, the dot.com bust and the subprime mess. And this sure feels like those last two. It seems like sky's the limit with no end in sight. I have no solid proof to back it up. It's just a feeling. Although what you said about not seeing the inverse relationship between conservative investments and stocks makes sense. Something just seems off.

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    The stock I sold last week has gone up almost 3%. That's over $4,000 I missed out on. Reminding myself that it's also $4,000 I could have lost. #don'tbegreedy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geila View Post
    The stock I sold last week has gone up almost 3%. That's over $4,000 I missed out on. Reminding myself that it's also $4,000 I could have lost. #don'tbegreedy
    Yes! Congratulate yourself for locking in that gain!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kib View Post
    There used to be a pretty reliable inverse relationship between gold and conservative bonds, and stock. To my way of thinking, money would get shifted from conservative investments to risky ones if the market /economy / jobs outlook seemed to be on a roll, pushing up stock prices and dropping those of less desirable gold and bonds in a bull market, and vice versa if it looked shaky. I am seeing no decline in the cost of purchasing conservative investments, which makes me think this vast influx of stock investing money is New money, not reallocation. Where's it coming from? If it's new money, can we trust it and ride its coattails up up up, or is this another untrustworthy bubble? diced-up supbrime mortgages that turned out to be a Whole lot less risk-free than perceived thanks to improper rating was a primary cause of the 80s mess. ... I'm trying to "follow the money" this time and I just don't have enough knowledge / info to do it ...
    It's a combination of the republican tax scam giving rich individuals much more money to invest and corporations much more money to repurchase stocks, plus the fed's aggressive quantitative easing, as was noted above.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...ell-2020-01-16

    The party will come to an end, but trying to time it is a fool's errand. You, nor I, nor anyone on this board, has the insider knowledge necessary to get out before the decision is made to let it go down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    It's a combination of the republican tax scam giving rich individuals much more money to invest and corporations much more money to repurchase stocks, plus the fed's aggressive quantitative easing, as was noted above.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...ell-2020-01-16

    The party will come to an end, but trying to time it is a fool's errand. You, nor I, nor anyone on this board, has the insider knowledge necessary to get out before the decision is made to let it go down.
    So you honestly think the markets are manipulated to that extent, and that it's just matter of someone giving the signal to "let it go down"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tybee View Post
    So you honestly think the markets are manipulated to that extent, and that it's just matter of someone giving the signal to "let it go down"?
    It may not be a formal decision. It may instead be a case of them simply not being able to prop it up anymore despite all the efforts to the contrary.

    But yeah, the amount of ‘money’ that the fed creates out of thin air is significant and u doubted it is a significant effect on the market. The massive tax cuts are just more fuel for the fire.

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    Stocks are on sale thanks to the coronavirus. Time to buy again.

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    Last night we went to a financial presentation that included a free steak dinner at a very nice restaurant. It was for a fixed annuity. I was surprised at the number of people that made appointments to meet with him later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    Last night we went to a financial presentation that included a free steak dinner at a very nice restaurant. It was for a fixed annuity. I was surprised at the number of people that made appointments to meet with him later.
    I think an annuity is a decent choice for SOME of one’s assets and for some people. For us, I think DH will live long enough to make it an option for him. But I doubt that we will buy one.

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    Yesterday, I saw a small stock I was holding go up slightly. I decided to sell it but put a conservative stop limit in place (this means if the stock goes below a certain price, the sale is immediate at that price, so you don't wind up watching something spiral into oblivion). The stock went up a little, had an 8% instantaneous loss and bounced back up within seconds, bumping me and all the other good little investors out at a much lower price than we expected. It then went on to increase 48% over the course of One Day, doing this insanely dramatic blink of a bounce two more times. (I think of it like the bounce of a jacks ball, all the little jacks scooped up for the split second while the ball's in the air.) So yes, I believe there is a "they" out there, and I have no doubt the market is being manipulated to their needs.

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