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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultralight View Post
    For those that believe animals have rights Ms. Keith is the powerful.
    From my cursory scans of Ms. Keith, I got the strong impression that she believes plants and seeds are sentient beings with a conscious and also have rights similar or the same as animals. (Enjoyed your video, UL).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    From my cursory scans of Ms. Keith, I got the strong impression that she believes plants and seeds are sentient beings with a conscious and also have rights similar or the same as animals. (Enjoyed your video, UL).
    Which runs contrary to all the research on plants. No brain. No central nervous system.

    But even if plants were sentient, it still makes much more sense to be vegetarian/vegan to reduce environmental destruction and animal/plant cruelty.
    Most of the plants we grow to feed animals. If we simply ate those plants then fewer "sentient" plants would have to suffer at the mouths of humans and/or animals.

    LOL

    Ms. Keith is a total ass-clown.

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    What we're talking about here is not activism but violence as almost all activism from campaigns to protest, even civil disobedience, is explicitly non-violent. But yes it makes a case for non-violence.

    I suspect Keith etc. ARE cult radicals, though perhaps with some interesting points to make. I mean saying that veganism is bad, because the population should be reduced by 90% (through birth control I assume) and everyone be hunter gathers doesn't give ANYONE useful guidance about what to have for dinner tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultralight View Post
    Which runs contrary to all the research on plants. No brain. No central nervous system.
    I know, it does seem a little crazy. Plants obviously have a lower level of processing than anything in the animal realm, but there have some mysterious phenomena that makes a person wonder. I remember some lab tests with plants from Jensen's first book (and the last I could read with any interest) and the popular book, The Hidden Life of Trees, which is a short and easy read. They might have a little more going on than we think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I know, it does seem a little crazy. Plants obviously have a lower level of processing than anything in the animal realm, but there have some mysterious phenomena that makes a person wonder. I remember some lab tests with plants from Jensen's first book (and the last I could read with any interest) and the popular book, The Hidden Life of Trees, which is a short and easy read. They might have a little more going on than we think.
    I am open to more evidence.
    Though I have read some of Jensen's work, he is kinda"anti-scientific method." lol

    I do agree with him on some points, such as the only level of technology that is ecologically sustainable is stone age technology.

    And that dismantling dams would be a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I know, it does seem a little crazy. Plants obviously have a lower level of processing than anything in the animal realm, but there have some mysterious phenomena that makes a person wonder. I remember some lab tests with plants from Jensen's first book (and the last I could read with any interest) and the popular book, The Hidden Life of Trees, which is a short and easy read. They might have a little more going on than we think.
    I'm in the middle of reading that book now! I'm halfway through the audio version. Very interesting stuff!! I found it interesting that beech trees have a community and they grow for the purpose of supporting all members of the community, to promote the wellbeing of all the trees, not just their own growth. Kind of like Democratic Socialists.

    From what I understand, the source of these "emotional" impulses is unknown, but they suspect the root system may play a part with help from the mycorrrihizea.
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