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    Latest poll November 25-26, reported by Reuters:
    47% of Americans favor impeachment,
    including 8 in 10 Democrats. 1 in 10 Republicans and 4 in 10 Independents.
    40% are opposed to impeachment,
    including 1 in 10 Democrats, 8 in 10 Republicans, and 5 in 10 Independents.
    I assume that 13% of the respondents were undecided.

    This data suggests the country is polarized on the question of impeachment... tribe versus tribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Mayor Pete doesn't seem too terrible.
    i bet he even has the best words ever.

    actually, his multilingual combat veteran self is really great. His lack of experience didnít seem to bother Trumpers, though last election. He does poll low with the black community, and from what I have read he seems to liken gay discrimination with the appalling black slavery legacy. Correct me if Iím wrong on that one. Like people here would not.

    on the other hand, people are loving this demonization of illegals. Because of all the illegal benefits, free medical and housing they steal off the middle class taxpayers per the Trump mantra. But many fail to realize that the ultra wealthy and big companies have made a killing and itís not trickling down. Pensions are dwindling while medical costs more, many more are uninsured, the student loan mess isnot being helped by the Trump administration. Guns and abortion we could argue for eternity and no one is happy.

    I can say say one thing, after failure to answer subpoenas, twisting the Muller and impeachment reports, if the democrats do take the majority in all three branches there will be a rude awakening for the republicans and their false dramatic outrage. Their treatment of Vindman and others has been rude and demeaning. Why would they all lie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    He's unqualified though, he's a mayor of a small town, that's his resume. He'd have to have the best advisers out there. Or a VP with power, haha thinking Cheney but actually needless to say W had experience, governor of a large state is not small town mayor.
    People said Obama was unqualified too. How exactly does one determine Ďqualifiedí. Based on the requirements set forth in the constitution heís qualified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    People said Obama was unqualified too. How exactly does one determine Ďqualifiedí. Based on the requirements set forth in the constitution heís qualified.
    Thatís true. Itís not like a phlebotomist or a dog groomer; you donít pass a licensing process. I suppose even a governor doesnít face the same spectrum of experiences. The only real qualification is being a natural born, 35 year old citizen with at least 270 votes in the Electoral College.

    Thatís probably a good thing. You donít want some elite that thinks of itself as a meritocracy determining what the proper credentials should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    He's unqualified though, he's a mayor of a small town, that's his resume. He'd have to have the best advisers out there. Or a VP with power, haha thinking Cheney but actually needless to say W had experience, governor of a large state is not small town mayor.
    A conservative friend of mine who lived in Texas told me that unlike other places the governorship there was largely ceremonial. She liked Bush but not because of his supposed experience.

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    People said Obama was unqualified too. How exactly does one determine ‘qualified’. Based on the requirements set forth in the constitution he’s qualified.
    Held a position in the House or Senate (aka actual elected experience in the Federal government) or at least governorship of a larger state (although maybe W had no real experience there, not that familiar with Texas government). I mean sure we can say Trump is qualified based on those conditions, but that is not a definition of qualified that would apply to any other job. People just don't want to believe experience matters. Obama was a Senator, he may not have done much as one, but he wasn't a mayor (and we're not even talking mayor of a big city here).
    If you want something to get done, ask a busy person. If you want them to have a nervous breakdown that is.

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    I like Pete and also Amy Klobuchar. If we're talking moderates that appeal more to the masses and middle America, those would be my picks. The others it's kind of like, hold your nose and vote against Trump from what I've seen so far.

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    Bloomberg sounded good to me last weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere View Post

    I can say say one thing, after failure to answer subpoenas, twisting the Muller and impeachment reports, if the democrats do take the majority in all three branches there will be a rude awakening for the republicans and their false dramatic outrage. Their treatment of Vindman and others has been rude and demeaning. Why would they all lie?
    If the democrats do in fact hold onto the house, take back the senate, and win the presidency next year I will publicly acknowledge that Ldahl was right, and I was wrong, with regards to the strength of our institutions.

    Undoing the damage of political hack judges like "justice" beer, however, will likely take quite a bit longer than next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    If the democrats do in fact hold onto the house, take back the senate, and win the presidency next year I will publicly acknowledge that Ldahl was right, and I was wrong, with regards to the strength of our institutions.
    Would any other result than an electoral sweep for the Democrats be evidence of faulty institutions?

    Or are you perhaps expecting some sort of coup?

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