Thank you. I don't need to be told I don't "get it."
As far as veganism being somehow a solution to environmental woes, I don't buy it. Eating local, pasture-raised meat (and produce) is a lot more ethical than turning acres over to pesticide-saturated monocrops (like soy), then trucking the resulting product all over the country, IMO. That said, I don't pretend to be a locavore.
Heard on BBC Radio this morning (I listen online) that some UK media travel editor is giving up flying for 2020.
maybe they don't get the climate crisis. I mean we have here ridiculous claims: that there is no way to be out of one's comfort zone, that doesn't involve massive carbon usage (for a world population of 7 some billion that can't all live that way or we are screwed). That there is no way to expand one's mind and knowledge and horizons that doesn't involve massive carbon usage (again to a world population of 7 some billion that can't all live that way, or we will fry the planet several thousand times over - and truth is I am not an optimist as is about the situation). One may be into expanding their comfort zone and horizons or not, and whatever, but to see only high resource use ways to get there ... is not the right direction, we need to get as much human flourishing as possible with as little resource use as possible.Thank you. I don't need to be told I don't "get it."
Honestly though if human beings were not so into expanding their comfort zone etc. etc. - endless growth (iow if they were neanderthals and homo sapiens had not come along - they were probably smarter than us but they were not so much explorers it seems) maybe we wouldn't be headed on the road to human extinction and biosphere collapse. Maybe Neanderthals could have lived successfully on earth.
most research does show vegetarianism to be somewhat better (but it really depends, veganism yes, vegetarianism, it gets complex because dairy is pretty high impact and it's a go-to for vegetarians - hey I love my cheese and I'm not even vegetarian, so ...).As far as veganism being somehow a solution to environmental woes, I don't buy it. Eating local, pasture-raised meat (and produce) is a lot more ethical than turning acres over to pesticide-saturated monocrops (like soy), then trucking the resulting product all over the country, IMO. That said, I don't pretend to be a locavore.
But someone needs to keep the grass-fed beef producers in business I figure haha I do believe some animal agriculture can be integrated into food production, so once a month or so I'll have my red meat. Pretty minimal already.
Trees don't grow on money
APN, if you won a million dollars are you telling me you still wouldn’t fly to take a international trip?
I agree... but I have no faith that humans would willingly sacrifice comforts they've grown accustomed to, or turn down greater comforts. My son's saying-- "a luxury once tasted becomes a necessity" --applies here.
I was a vegetarian for a long time, partly based on the environmental impact argument, but my thoughts have shifted. Silvopasture contributes to a healthy ecology, for instance. I read an interesting book called Defending Beef, written by a vegetarian whose husband raises livestock for consumption, and it provided some interesting perspectives. So eating local, grass-fed beef is a reasonable option.
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I think that buying locally produced grass fed animal products is a reasonable alternative to vegan or vegetarian. Similarly that buying carbon credits to off set travel is not prefect but also a reasonable alternative to pleasure travel. The David Suzuki Foundation, which I believe has a reasonable list of 10 things to do to stop climate change says, "fly less" and if you do, offset the emissions.
I have traveled plenty in my times and some of the experiences have certainly been live enhancing. I just feel like I've used up personal travel allotment. My travel bucket list has become short and the marginal benefits are decreasing. I am fortunate for living in an area where people from all over the world come to visit and shorter road trips are my current plan, even if I won a million bucks. To think that travel is an inalienable right does not jive with me.
no, but there are probably situations I would, if bf wanted to (but he's not into it either - what we actually do together sometimes is go to climate activities! He's sometimes been almost in tears over some bad new climate news). A few other reasons.APN, if you won a million dollars are you telling me you still wouldn’t fly to take a international trip?
So there is a non-zero possibility, I end up taking an international trip or two or so before my life is over (whether I die of a ripe old age, disease (that all flesh is heir to), or sadly and I give it some REAL possibility - and far greater of a possibility for the young - die of CLIMATE CHANGE itself). But flying is not something I do by and large. And I don't see how if we get everything we are accustomed to now, we have much chance. Things need to change.
Trees don't grow on money
APNM,,,..Honestly though if human beings were not so into expanding their comfort zone etc. etc. - endless growth (iow if they were neanderthals and homo sapiens had not come along - they were probably smarter than us but they were not so much explorers it seems) maybe we wouldn't be headed on the road to human extinction and biosphere collapse. Maybe Neanderthals could have lived successfully on earth.
All I can say is... oh, brother! As you stated previously, you would travel internationally if given the opportunity.
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