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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    How well would "martial law" work here inside the US borders, where the troops and their families would have to live among the civilian population, and where we would inconveniently look and talk like them, and where their bases are in our communities?
    I'm thinking Kent State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I'm thinking Kent State.
    One incident of inept National Guard troops from 50 years ago?

    I have a hard time thinking that would work on a national scale.

    The US military has ~2 million active+reserve folks on the roster. By way of comparison, in the 2016 season, there were 10 million deer hunters in the US, with about 6 million deer harvested. There are also ~19 million concealed carry permits issued in the USA, and bear in mind that some states don't even require a permit.

    And then, there are about 1 million firefighters in the USA, and a large percentage of them have had at least HAZMAT awareness or operations level training, and that course is basically a course in how to be a better terrorist. Each department also likely has folks trained at the technician or specialist level.

    I'm trying to think what would happen if Trump told the State of Washington it was under martial law, and that we weren't to have elections. I don't think it would go the same way as Kent State. I don't see our governor deploying our Guard units here to impose Trump's will against the populace. Heck, I just looked, and WA has ~600k veterans living in the state... And a good portion of those are "not too old" to have an opinion about things.

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    Well, one theory might be that a decent percentage of civilian gun owners are NRA Trump supporters who would appoint themselves as vigilantes or endorse militia activities. Then mayhem.

    Kent State was an example of how poorly prepared the National Guard is to handle a civilian crisis and how it could have an undesirable outcome resulting in the loss of innocents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Well, one theory might be that a decent percentage of civilian gun owners are NRA Trump supporters who would appoint themselves as vigilantes or endorse militia activities. Then mayhem.
    Who wants mayhem?

    My neighbor and good friend grew up in Serbia (well, a Serbian enclave in what is now Bosnia) during a time when it when from a wonderful place that had just hosted the Olympics to a total nightmare of partisan warfare.

    Imposing "martial law" and suspending elections, and trying to have private gangs of partisan thugs enforce it, wouldn't go so easily and nicely these days as what happened in pre-WWII Germany. It'd be more like what happened to Yugoslavia, and terribly messy, since we all live together, even in the most red or blue areas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    How? How would he suspend elections?
    Your guess is as good as mine; I've never seen anything like this before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    Hitler wasn't "that bad" ten years before he was. Trump wouldn't be so dangerous if he didn't have the full complicity of the Republicans and Putin--in other words, if our system worked.
    In ten years Trump will be a trivia question and the American Left will have moved on to Hitlerizing somebody else.

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    So basically the US is acting on military orders to detain US citizens of Iranian descent at the border, and a civilian rights group is working to aid them - because the people who have the power to reject this seemingly unconstitutional mandate haven't done so. ... I'm not quite sure where you're going with this. That ordinary people will aid each other in the event that our military doesn't rebel and act on their own moral imperatives / constitutional beliefs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kib View Post
    So basically the US is acting on military orders to detain US citizens of Iranian descent at the border, and a civilian rights group is working to aid them - because the people who have the power to reject this seemingly unconstitutional mandate haven't done so. ... I'm not quite sure where you're going with this. That ordinary people will aid each other in the event that our military doesn't rebel and act on their own moral imperatives / constitutional beliefs?
    This situation - denying access to the US for returning Iranian American US citizens - really serves to show that we are not free in America....
    Something I knew not at the age of 8. 11 on this one. Hopefully more people figure this out and adjust themselves accordingly. Who will be next and when will the US force them to wear something similar to yellow stars? I really am afraid of America and what it truly is.....I guess I can take solace in that more people will start having the realizations I've had. I'm thinking this can only be a good thing. We'll see what unfolds - or doesn't unfold - soon enough. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    In ten years Trump will be a trivia question
    I'll take ELECTIONS for $100, Alex.

    Answer: For over 200 years no presidential candidate questioned the validity of an election until this one, who, on the following morning tweeted, "IT'S A COUP!" and "THERE WAS WIDESPREAD VOTING IRREGULARITIES!" and "COVFEFE!"

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