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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    It is curious why the CDC has never recommended better quality masks despite wide availability now (I had quality masks in March of 2020 but hey bf wanted protection from the awful smoke of west coast climate fires so had N95s then by coincidence). Why the CDC doesn't stress ventilation. And why what is actually a norm in many countries is to self-test yourself before all social events is kind of unheard of here. But that will never be a norm for most if test kits are near $30 and hard to find of course.
    I listened to a prominent expert in disease transmission on the Joe Rogan show say exactly this. Yes Rogan does sometimes have real experts, they’re not all wackadoodle experts.

    He pretty much said that lack of rapid result home testing today is a huge failing in our country. The rapid home tests are inexpensive and less accurate, but that’s OK if they give us more false positives than the other more accurate test, that is fine. The false positive rate is still quite low, very low.

    One could look hard on this website to see all of the posts that lay this lack of test kit availability at the feet of Biden. You know, kind of like how all those billions of posts by, well, certain posters, laid at the feet of Trump lack of general testing back 15-20 months ago.

    I could look hard to see those posts castigating Biden but I won’t because I’m not that kind of gal. Smile. But really it’s because – there aren’t any posts blaming Uncle Joe to find. So curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    How much is enough? Enough so that the ICUs and hospitals only fill up with the unvaccinated, but don't overflow.
    Over 80% of those eligible.

    The hospitals are full because of 1) fear-mongering around covid that made everyone paranoid even if they were in a low risk group, so they didn't go for routine screenings and now there is a backlog of surgeries dealing with issues found when they did go - great job media fearmongers 2) a nurse's strike that is expected to be settled soon and has taken over 100 beds out of use 3) hundreds of hospital employees being fired because they refused to get vaccinated 4) a small percentage of the increase in hospitalization is actually due to covid. No surge hospitals have been opened nor is it anticipated any will be needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Yes, you said "[I]Unfortunately we have anit-vaxxers like RFK Jr., Fox news, others around their social media circles...".

    I've personally never paid any attention to Tucker Carlson so I'm not sure what he believes, but have watched/listened to the network's hard news segments and have never heard anything other than vaccine support. I'd never considered that people would equate one person for an entire network.
    I should be been more clear, as other than RFK Jr., Eric Clapton, and maybe Rand Paul I don't know of too many anti-vaxxers. Since I've never seen Fox news, I don't know how strongly Tucker represents the network, but I gather he is popular in some circles and suppose the network has some accountability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    My humble apologies. Some of it I didn't know and I found interesting. The term HUNH somewhat baffled me. Driving around in a convertible on a nice day sounds quite nice right now.
    HUNh Is my expression of disgust and wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happystuff View Post
    Only because folks are quoting and quotes show up:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU-paVv6zTk

    i’m not sure what lesson we are to take away from this knife versus gun event in this film, but Coburn was great. Does it show that when you bring a knife to a gun fight the knife can win? Does it show that there are disputes in factual conflict?

    ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I should be been more clear, as other than RFK Jr., Eric Clapton, and maybe Rand Paul I don't know of too many anti-vaxxers. Since I've never seen Fox news, I don't know how strongly Tucker represents the network, but I gather he is popular in some circles and suppose the network has some accountability.
    No worries. I've just noticed over the past few years that most of the people who slam Fox News have never really watched/listened to it but get their opinions from others who also haven't watched/listened to it. I find it weird if not at least a little bit understandable based on our current state of tribalism and resultant desire to belittle enemy icons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    No worries. I've just noticed over the past few years that most of the people who slam Fox News have never really watched/listened to it but get their opinions from others who also haven't watched/listened to it. I find it weird if not at least a little bit understandable based on our current state of tribalism and resultant desire to belittle enemy icons.
    I agree. I get much of my news from the NYT and I suspect there are conservatives who bash it without reading. At least from personal experiences, which doesn't represent the whole group anymore that your personal accounts. They do have some articles about Tucker Carlson and Fox news and I suspect Fox news people bash the NYT enemy icon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Does it show that when you bring a knife to a gun fight the knife can win?
    The knife can win, easily, in some circumstances. At a distance of ~20 feet or less, a knife-wielder has an advantage over a person with a firearm, especially if the firearm person is untrained in what to do about the problem.

    Google "Tueller Drill" for analysis/videos/etc.

    It's why cops tend to shoot people who "just have a knife and were 15 feet away".


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    It is curious why the CDC has never recommended better quality masks despite wide availability now (I had quality masks in March of 2020 but hey bf wanted protection from the awful smoke of west coast climate fires so had N95s then by coincidence). Why the CDC doesn't stress ventilation. And why what is actually a norm in many countries is to self-test yourself before all social events is kind of unheard of here. But that will never be a norm for most if test kits are near $30 and hard to find of course.
    NPR had a feature this evening on how to stay safe over the Holidays. The recommendation wasn't from any government official, but "expert researchers recommend" They were saying based on the high level of Omicron transmissibility the cloth and surgical mask should be upgraded to KN95 or N95 masks. As usual, more to prevent the spread of the wearer rather than as personal protection.

    Since the vaccine is less effective at preventing Omicron they say it's an extra layer of protection that could be needed. I don't know why government officials haven't suggested this since it makes sense to me. I think the general recommendation for the Holidays is still that you might not need a mask in small groups of people you know are vaccinated. They were also big on rapid testing, which is something the government has failed on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    i’m not sure what lesson we are to take away from this knife versus gun event in this film, but Coburn was great. Does it show that when you bring a knife to a gun fight the knife can win? Does it show that there are disputes in factual conflict?

    ???
    Yes, Coburn was great! Yes, a knife can win, and what bae said. Lol
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